Black Adam amp2x Vs Superman

Originally posted by Stoic
You are terribly wrong sir. Superman does not begin fighting like Black Adam, Lobo, or Sabretooth. This is just one more reason why he gets kayoed the moment that this fight begins. Your idea of full capacity is also incorrect. This does not mean that he comes in after taking a sun dip, or that his character has changed from benevolent protector, to antisocial psychopath. We also don't take his one in a lifetime feats and call them the norm. If this were the truth, every time that the Surfer is argued, people would have the right to say that he opens his first volley with placing a black hole in or near his opponents heart,, while becoming intangible. You see how this works, or more precisely, how it does not?

That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.

Just as Superman can fight at his optimum capacity, rather than him willing himself down to an opponents level, just as Flash doesn't run around ending each story in a millisecond.

What you described here is something entirely different, I never said anything about Superman becoming a psychopath killer, only that he'll not himself back and do what it takes to win/KO within his character archetype.

You're relying on moments of PIS to handcuff Superman to his low showings. The only catalyst between Superman tangling evenly with random brick X and trampling over a skyfather, is his own desire to do so.

Originally posted by Juntai
Just as Superman can fight at his optimum capacity, rather than him willing himself down to an opponents level, just as Flash doesn't run around ending each story in a millisecond.

What you described here is something entirely different, I never said anything about Superman becoming a psychopath killer, only that he'll not himself back and do what it takes to win/KO within his character archetype.

You're relying on moments of PIS to handcuff Superman to his low showings. The only catalyst between Superman tangling evenly with random brick X and trampling over a skyfather, is his own desire to do so.

You are basing your argument off of a what i would do in Superman's place while ignoring what Superman does normally. No one said CIS off in the OP. Superman holds back most of the time which is within his character, Black Adam is willing to poke his opponents eyes out, and rip off their faces. Superman does not go into battles with the OWAW mind set on average, and thus using this as his full capacity on average would be attempting to pull the wool over the eyes of the masses. If we're doing this from now on, whenever a Hulk vs thread is made, we should assume that he's in his HOTM mind set, because that showed him at his very most powerful. This however is not his average, and he holds back for fear of killing innocents much like Superman does.

On average Superman isn't coming into fights thinking that "I'm not going to hold back". He holds back, which is why he would be kayoed within the first few seconds of this match, against someone that does not hold back. On average Captain marvel, and Black Adam can push Superman who has psychological walls in place to keep him at their level. Black Adam is coming in double that level. Superman is not impervious to being KO'd. If he is, and he has no limits, what would be the point in having him in a versus forum? Besides he has lost many times in comics. My entire point here, is that you can't simply ignore the character of the hero or villain that you're arguing. If you do, we may as well give Superman Zod's personality and let him loose on the masses.

Originally posted by Juntai
Just as Superman can fight at his optimum capacity, rather than him willing himself down to an opponents level, just as Flash doesn't run around ending each story in a millisecond.

What you described here is something entirely different, I never said anything about Superman becoming a psychopath killer, only that he'll not himself back and do what it takes to win/KO within his character archetype.

You're relying on moments of PIS to handcuff Superman to his low showings. The only catalyst between Superman tangling evenly with random brick X and trampling over a skyfather, is his own desire to do so.

Sky Father? Listen; a Sky Father without PIS would know that Superman was coming before he got out of bed that morning, and shackle him to a magical post before he got out of the shower. PIS exists in comics which is something that I am not arguing. What i am arguing is CIS to shackle every character to, not just Superman.

Originally posted by Stoic
Sky Father? Listen; a Sky Father without PIS would know that Superman was coming before he got out of bed that morning, and shackle him to a magical post before he got out of the shower. PIS exists in comics which is something that I am not arguing. What i am arguing is CIS to shackle every character to, not just Superman.

Listen; a Sky Father without PIS would know that Superman was coming before he got out of bed that morning, and shackle him to a magical post before he got out of the shower.

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BAV get your mind out of the gutter. You know what I was saying.

No. Youre arguing PIS and confusing the two.

Supermans holding back to lessers for sake of compelling story is specifically mentioned under PIS.

A character using the full extent of his ability in forum fight is specifically mentioned in the Flash reference. Even though he doesn't lightspeed maul everyone in a picosecond in the comics. On the forum he will.
Same is true for Supes.

This is specifically the forum rules.
Youre making up your own interpretations of how they work.

Juntai has been infected by supermania. There's no hope for him.

Originally posted by Stoic
BAV get your mind out of the gutter. You know what I was saying.

Okay, which super poster are you?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Why the **** would he hold back if he is trying to move the guy and the guy is resisting? If he didn't hold back, he wouldn't cause a bit of collateral damage, so there is no logical reason to assume he's holding back. If he is, he's stupid. Also, prove he's holding back in the first place.

He wasn't holding back. He tells us this in the beginning of the fight. Also, even though Superman was probably compromised during this showing, didn't the Apocolypse crew say that Adam is more powerful than Superman (and they are well aware of his/Superman power)?

Originally posted by carver9
He wasn't holding back. He tells us this in the beginning of the fight. Also, even though Superman was probably compromised during this showing, didn't the Apocolypse crew say that Adam is more powerful than Superman (and they are well aware of his/Superman power)?

The Super crew claims that when he says he's not holding back, he actually is. You can't tell them anything, they are minds are gone.

Lol which supercrew member argued that konvict didn't knock superman out, he only knocked him down and superman rested his eyes for a minute. 😂

Originally posted by carver9
He wasn't holding back. He tells us this in the beginning of the fight. Also, even though Superman was probably compromised during this showing, didn't the Apocolypse crew say that Adam is more powerful than Superman (and they are well aware of his/Superman power)?

He still escalated through the course of the fight until Adam gave up.

In early panels right after he said he wasn't holding back- he said the blows were like small bombs. The final would have cracked the moon in half.

Adam was perfectly fine with testing himself against Superman until Supes decided to end it.

Originally posted by long pig
Lol which supercrew member argued that konvict didn't knock superman out, he only knocked him down and superman rested his eyes for a minute. 😂

Can't remember, might have been Abby Whinehouse, their defacto leader. That shit was epic. Surprised he didn't claim Superman was holding back so hard, he induced himself into a catatonic state and which had nothing to do with Konvict's blow.

Originally posted by Juntai
'Not holding back' still varies a lot.

He still escalated through the course of the fight until Adam gave up.

In early panels right after he said he wasn't holding back- he said the blows were like small bombs. The final would have cracked the moon in half.

Adam was perfectly fine with testing himself against Superman until Supes decided to end it.

You probably need to relook at that fight. For one, Black Adam was trying to talk to Superman, he wasn't trying to fight him. He even stood there and allowed Superman to blast him with heat vision. Hell, at one point he threw Superman off of him and told him to calm down. Obvious Adam wasn't fighting.

Lol...Superman boasting about what he could do doesn't change the fact he wasn't holding back. During the beginning of the fight, Superman said he was more ticked off than he's ever been because of Adam. That doesn't sound like a guy that is holding back. Especially given he was being manipulated to fight Adam by a guy that told Superman to make Adam bleed.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Can't remember, might have been Abby Whinehouse, their defacto leader. That shit was epic. Surprised he didn't claim Superman was holding back so hard, he induced himself into a catatonic state and which had nothing to do with Konvict's blow.

Originally posted by Juntai
No. Youre arguing PIS and confusing the two.

Supermans holding back to lessers for sake of compelling story is specifically mentioned under PIS.

A character using the full extent of his ability in forum fight is specifically mentioned in the Flash reference. Even though he doesn't lightspeed maul everyone in a picosecond in the comics. On the forum he will.
Same is true for Supes.

This is specifically the forum rules.
Youre making up your own interpretations of how they work.

You're wrong. Yes Superman has the power to tear down mountains, but he doesn't do this because of the way that he thinks. This is not PIS, it's CIS. If Superman went around using the full array of his powers at max strength, he would kill innocents. This does not mean that he can not use the full array of his powers at a reduced level, which is exactly what he does. Trying to twist what i am saying to resemble PIS is you once again attempting to place the wool over my eyes without realizing that I know that this is what you are attempting. Superman simply doesn't go all out, neither do the majority of heroes. Think of what a battle between Thor and the Hulk would do if they fought on a planet. You also need to prove exactly how much Superman was actually holding back in his battle with BA, and Captain Marvel.

If Superman were not in control of his body, and we placed someone else in his body (Eclipso), that personality would have the power of Superman. The only difference is that the foreign personality if evil would not hold back. So in that case there was actually a battle between an Eclipsed Superman and Captain Marvel. I didn't once see the eclipsed Superman over power Captain Marvel. What I get when I read your posts on Superman is a character that has no limits to his physical stats. It makes me believe that you believe that even if Black Adam were 1000 times more powerful than his base, that your version of Superman would still be able to easily defeat him, and that he would only need to remove the governor and allow his full might to shine.

You keep writing about this Superman that has never been seen in a comic, and simply want to argue power set, while ignoring the character that is seen in the books. Then you turn around and try to say that people are talking about PIS so that you can continue making Superman fight the way that you would fight a battle. If Superman was the Sentry, his first thought would be to just throw his opponent into the nearest star, and let the chips fall where they may. Superman isn't going to do that. Superman is going to attempt to take them down via KO, and when they wake up they'll be in jail. This is his character. Not PIS.

Originally posted by Stoic
You're wrong. Yes Superman has the power to tear down mountains, but he doesn't do this because of the way that he thinks. This is not PIS, it's CIS. If Superman went around using the full array of his powers at max strength, he would kill innocents. This does not mean that he can not use the full array of his powers at a reduced level, which is exactly what he does. Trying to twist what i am saying to resemble PIS is you once again attempting to place the wool over my eyes without realizing that I know that this is what you are attempting. Superman simply doesn't go all out, neither do the majority of heroes. Think of what a battle between Thor and the Hulk would do if they fought on a planet. You also need to prove exactly how much Superman was actually holding back in his battle with BA, and Captain Marvel.

If Superman were not in control of his body, and we placed someone else in his body (Eclipso), that personality would have the power of Superman. The only difference is that the foreign personality if evil would not hold back. So in that case there was actually a battle between an Eclipsed Superman and Captain Marvel. I didn't once see the eclipsed Superman over power Captain Marvel. What I get when I read your posts on Superman is a character that has no limits to his physical stats. It makes me believe that you believe that even if Black Adam were 1000 times more powerful than his base, that your version of Superman would still be able to easily defeat him, and that he would only need to remove the governor and allow his full might to shine.

You keep writing about this Superman that has never been seen in a comic, and simply want to argue power set, while ignoring the character that is seen in the books. Then you turn around and try to say that people are talking about PIS so that you can continue making Superman fight the way that you would fight a battle. If Superman was the Sentry, his first thought would be to just throw his opponent into the nearest star, and let the chips fall where they may. Superman isn't going to do that. Superman is going to attempt to take them down via KO, and when they wake up they'll be in jail. This is his character. Not PIS.

Once again, full capacity-

That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.

Flash doesn't go all out in the comics from the jump either, just as Superman does not, but it's a viable tactic that he can and will on the forum since it's proven that he posses the ability to do so on his own.

Do you understand this?
Does it make sense to you?

This is not the same as fighting bloodlusted out of character mode going for a kill, unless specifically stated, but Superman will do everything in his power to win whatever the stipulations on the thread may be.

This includes not holding his power down to the Herald Level where characters like Adam and Diana are just a few notches under him.

Just the same, Wally or Barry can lightspeed out of the gate. Even though this is rare in the comics.

Your whining does not change this ruling.

It's the forum rules.

It has been forever.

As for Superman's holding back, his power scales DOWN to make certain plots happen. This is why his power is specifically written in as the example of PIS, and not CIS.
Superman does not do this because he is stupid, but because the plot carrying requires him to not be a godlike being walking around crushing everything in sight.
When most characters do something amazing, they are reaching UP out of their bracket.
Superman is already godlike, and scales downward because he likes pretending to be an Earthling. This is why Batman and others berate him on occasion when they need him to do some godlike stuff to save everyone's asses.

This is not applicable to Superman on the forum, though.

He is not bound by plot induced restriction holding him down.
And he is unleashed by the Full Capacity rule.

Originally posted by Stoic
You're wrong. Yes Superman has the power to tear down mountains, but he doesn't do this because of the way that he thinks. This is not PIS, it's CIS. If Superman went around using the full array of his powers at max strength, he would kill innocents. This does not mean that he can not use the full array of his powers at a reduced level, which is exactly what he does. Trying to twist what i am saying to resemble PIS is you once again attempting to place the wool over my eyes without realizing that I know that this is what you are attempting. Superman simply doesn't go all out, neither do the majority of heroes. Think of what a battle between Thor and the Hulk would do if they fought on a planet. You also need to prove exactly how much Superman was actually holding back in his battle with BA, and Captain Marvel.

If Superman were not in control of his body, and we placed someone else in his body (Eclipso), that personality would have the power of Superman. The only difference is that the foreign personality if evil would not hold back. So in that case there was actually a battle between an Eclipsed Superman and Captain Marvel. I didn't once see the eclipsed Superman over power Captain Marvel. What I get when I read your posts on Superman is a character that has no limits to his physical stats. It makes me believe that you believe that even if Black Adam were 1000 times more powerful than his base, that your version of Superman would still be able to easily defeat him, and that he would only need to remove the governor and allow his full might to shine.

You keep writing about this Superman that has never been seen in a comic, and simply want to argue power set, while ignoring the character that is seen in the books. Then you turn around and try to say that people are talking about PIS so that you can continue making Superman fight the way that you would fight a battle. If Superman was the Sentry, his first thought would be to just throw his opponent into the nearest star, and let the chips fall where they may. Superman isn't going to do that. Superman is going to attempt to take them down via KO, and when they wake up they'll be in jail. This is his character. Not PIS.

You sir are correct 👆 👆 and the delusional Super diseased fanboys are wrong as usual.

Originally posted by The Nuul
You sir are correct 👆 👆 and the delusional Super diseased fanboys are wrong as usual.

It's a strawman argument that was never presented by any Superman supporter here. So it's not even possible to be correct and someone else be wrong based on the post you quoted.

But he's certainly not going to hold back, as there's two forum rules that specifically unleash a character like him from those confines, one even using him as the example of a character that won't hold back to lessers [PIS rule]. And the other using Flash maxing out from the time the bell rings[Full Capacity rule].

Originally posted by Juntai
Not true, I never suggested Superman was going to toss people into stars and fight out of character. However, he's going to pull all the stops to win by any means within his character.

It's a strawman argument that was never presented by any Superman supporter here. So it's not even possible to be correct and someone else be wrong based on the post you quoted.

But he's certainly not going to hold back, as there's two forum rules that specifically unleash a character like him from those confines, one even using him as the example of a character that won't hold back to lessers [PIS rule]. And the other using Flash maxing out from the time the bell rings[Full Capacity rule].

So then in that case whenever we debate Thor, the Hulk and other characters, we can go with the full capacity rule and say that the Hulk hits with world breaking blows, and Thor whips up storms capable of tearing stars apart. Never mind the idea that the character is too dumb to realize that such force would kill their opponent and all of the rest of humanity along with them. On one hand you say that you're respecting the characterization put in place by these writers, while also ignoring the nature of what it means to be a super hero. If Superman is far weaker than his opponent, and his opponent hits him in this state, it means that he's going to be kayoed or worse. Try it yourself, go out and wrestle a 700lb hungry Kodiak Bear, and if possible come back and tell me how you did.