Guldo vs Whis

Can Whis override Guldo's time stop.

Pass or Fail

Yeah. Even if he can't, Guldo can't hurt Whis.

Whis could turn back time and then kill Namek

Whis does not exist outside of time. He would freeze like anyone else

Whis would speed through time stop. Anyone thinking time stop would work on powerful Z fighters are crazy.

Originally posted by carver9
Whis would speed through time stop. Anyone thinking time stop would work on powerful Z fighters are crazy.

Speeding thru it is impossible. Time is stopped. Unless one of them can operate outside of time they get stopped too.

You're acting as if they would even know it happened. Time would pass normally for them as if nothing happened. How can they speed thru that?

If there are no actual limits to the move it is op as fu*k. Hell if he could hold his breath for a longer period of time he would be unstoppable.

He would be unstoppable if he could actually do something other than run away while his opponent was frozen.

The whole being defenseless thing. If BSSG Goku can be taken out by a character on Zarbon's level. I think Guldo could do the same no?

Originally posted by bbrem123
The whole being defenseless thing. If BSSG Goku can be taken out by a character on Zarbon's level. I think Guldo could do the same no?

No.

1. Guldo is below Zarbon level. He only made it on the team because of his unique ability
2. The opponent wouldn't be defenseless. Goku actively lowered his defenses and presumably his ki too. If he were froze, his ki would still be just as high as it was while unfrozen

Originally posted by carver9
Whis would speed through time stop. Anyone thinking time stop would work on powerful Z fighters are crazy.

Originally posted by juggerman
No.

1. Guldo is below Zarbon level. He only made it on the team because of his unique ability
2. The opponent wouldn't be defenseless. Goku actively lowered his defenses and presumably his ki too. If he were froze, his ki would still be just as high as it was while unfrozen

Originally posted by carver9
Whis would speed through time stop. Anyone thinking time stop would work on powerful Z fighters are crazy.

This is by far the best post ever made on the forum😂

Originally posted by juggerman
Speeding thru it is impossible. Time is stopped. Unless one of them can operate outside of time they get stopped too.

You're acting as if they would even know it happened. Time would pass normally for them as if nothing happened. How can they speed thru that?

Remember when Spectrum walked through time stop because it didn't affect her due to being a light speed character? Whis is MUCH faster than light.

So Whis just powers through?

Whis would definitely be frozen in time for however long Guldo could hold his breath. However, Guldo certainly wouldn't be able to cause Whis any damage whatsoever.

95% of the time it should work without a problem. Sort of a no limits fallacy move like that.

The real question is would it work as Whis is traveling back in time. At that point things get a little complicated.

My answer: if Whis is immune to time stop, it isn't due to speed. There is an argument that Whis operates outside the realm of time because he has some measure of control over it, but there's no objective evidence he would be immune.

Originally posted by carver9
Remember when Spectrum walked through time stop because it didn't affect her due to being a light speed character? Whis is MUCH faster than light.

You're actually right. Time would stop anyway, when moving at that speed. Time would stop around you, but of course, not for you, and only you. You would behave normally while time would be frozen, you would essentially exist outside of time since light is the universal speed limit. Moving outside that limit puts you outside of time (relative to the time of those around you who are not moving at the same speeds as you).

Time of any sort would never have any affect on you. Hence, if you left the Earth at a speed FTL, when you returned to Earth, many years would have passed and you would not have aged a milisecond. At those speeds, time can not stop you. Nothing the known universe could generate would stop you.

It's also worth mentioning that at FTL speeds, even events like the Big Bang would be an infinitely inferior force in terms of anything that could stop your progress. From the beginning of time, through time itself, nothing can stop you. This is of course, based on what we know now. Things could change, we may discover something else.