Originally posted by Galan007
I was just pointing out the ridiculousness in using RW physics/theories/laws as a means of 'limiting' fictional characters who clearly do not abide by them.
Not really, I would say its the default in the absence of any working theory/framework provided by the character's universe.
Otherwise, anyone can just say whatever they wanted to...
For example, Carter asserts that someone who can travel FTL would be unaffected by time stop. But is this based on past feats or something explained in DBZ? No... so on what basis can one claim it as an undeniable fact as he does?
Defaulting to logic and real world physics is the only reasonable thing to do in such a scenario.
If we were talking about Marvel/DC, there would most likely many indirect feats that would lend credit to such theories. But nothing in DB as far as I know.
Originally posted by Galan007
As evident by their feats, these characters do not abide by some of the RW theories(namely relativity) you are trying to confine them to. Therefore, said theories are inapplicable to them.I'm not saying physics across the board is inapplicable in DB, mind you.
Ok, further to my point though is that even RW physics has nothing definitive to say about it, so how can Carter claim anything at all?
I wasn't using RW physics to limit Whis, Carter was the one claiming FTL speeds means Whis would be unaffected.
So two questions:
1. Is this based on a working DB theory/feats? No.
2. The alternative then, is that it MUST then be based on RW physics in order to be claimed as a fact. And is it true in RW physics? No.
So either way you cut it, Carter has no grounds to stand on his assertions. I even began by qualifying that assuming his theory works (i.e I'm not hung up on dismissing it solely because it doesn't stand up to RW)... but this was not enough for him, he claimed once again its not a theory, but fact.
^ Which is exactly what I said on the previous page.
Originally posted by Galan007
If he's just standing there, time-stop should undoubtedly work.If Whis were moving FTL, there's no way to know for certain what would happen. Since Whis/Guldo clearly do not fall under the umbrella of relativity, it might work or it might not.
This is the thing I'm getting at here, The theory applies to both characters, but only one of the characters can ignore it. Whis can, because he has been shown to be powerful enough to do so and does so casually. I can not imagine how much he would break the theory if he had to run for his life. The theory of relativity is linked to all the rest of physics (mostly), so if we are to ignore it by default, I can just ignore everything and every feat unless specified by the op.
If we ignore this, it waters down the ability to travel at FTL speeds. Some RL logic you just can't do without.
I would like to clarify, again that Whis would have to be in FTL motion at the start of the time stop in order to avoid it. He'd also have to remain in FTL motion. If he stopped or slowed down to a speed bellow FTL, he would reenter time and would fall victim.
Speculation aside, this is all we can be certain of:
Originally posted by Galan007
If he's just standing there, time-stop should undoubtedly work.If Whis were moving FTL, there's no way to know for certain what would happen. Since Whis/Guldo clearly do not fall under the umbrella of relativity, it might work or it might not.