Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Looks like Germany is cracking down.
Yeah, Germany is finally cracking down a year ago.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Looks like Germany is cracking down.
Yeah, Germany is finally cracking down a year ago.
Originally posted by Star428
Easy for you to say that when you're safe on your little island over there. The rest of Europe probably won't be so lucky.
Yea I love how the people who are unaffected by this love to sit and comment.
Potato heads.
This is a crisis, and all there is from people here is typical downplaying.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You make so many joke posts, I never know if you are serious or not anymore.
Yeah, honestly that tends to be a problem with me posting.
In this case I'm being literal, the Syrians are f_cked. They are doing nothing other than dying an people in Western countries hate them already.
Originally posted by Star428
....and if they start cutting the heads off of Europeans who will be experiencing the worst of it then, Bentley? You think you're safe in France?
How many heads can they possibly cut off before getting slammed by a conventional army? In the case of any actual violence they'd get gethoized and it will still be hell for Syrians.
The suckers are drowning by the dozen, if you count the amounts of deads between that and the war, no way some "heads rolling off" -assuming that happens at all- will add up to the count.
I can't allow myself to get into the narrative of ultranationalistic groups either, so you can't probably relate with my motivations.
Originally posted by Bentley
Yeah, honestly that tends to be a problem with me posting.In this case I'm being literal, the Syrians are f_cked. They are doing nothing other than dying an people in Western countries hate them already.
How many heads can they possibly cut off before getting slammed by a conventional army? In the case of any actual violence they'd get gethoized and it will still be hell for Syrians.
The suckers are drowning by the dozen, if you count the amounts of deads between that and the war, no way some "heads rolling off" -assuming that happens at all- will add up to the count.
I can't allow myself to get into the narrative of ultranationalistic groups either, so you can't probably relate with my motivations.
Yeah, of course any army in Europe can easily deal with them but you can still have lots of heads cut off before you stop them. It's not like they will all be waiting in one area for you to annhilate them. THey will be spread out all over Europe.
http://news.yahoo.com/border-free-europe-unravels-migrant-crisis-hits-record-110230875.html
SERBIAN-HUNGARIAN BORDER (Reuters) - Hungary's right-wing government shut the main land route for migrants into the European Union on Tuesday, taking matters into its own hands to halt Europe's influx of refugees.
An emergency effort led by Germany to force EU member states to accept mandatory quotas of refugees collapsed in discord.
Chancellor Angela Merkel appealed for European unity after one of her ministers called for financial penalties against countries that refused to accommodate their share of the migrants, provoking anger in central Europe.
A Czech official described such threats as empty but nonetheless "damaging" while Slovakia said they would bring the "end of the EU".
Under new rules that took effect from midnight, Hungary said anyone seeking asylum on its southern border with Serbia, the EU's external frontier, would automatically be turned back, and anyone trying to sneak through would face jail.
View galleryRefugees and migrants in Hungary
Migrants wait to enter Hungary near the village of Horgos, Serbia, September 15, 2015. Hundreds of m …
At the border, migrants barred from continuing their long journey north towards a new life in Germany chanted as the sun went down, and one held up a banner saying: "Mama Merkel, please help us!"
Families with small children sat in fields beneath the new 3.5-metre- (10-foot-) high fence, topped with razor wire, which blocks entry for migrants to the former communist country.
"Strike. No food. No water. Open this border," a woman had written on a child’s dress that she held above her head.
Migrants who tried to apply for asylum in a transit zone of metal containers were swiftly turned away. Macruf Suhufi Abdi Omar, a Somali, told Reuters he had been refused asylum barely an hour after he gave his fingerprints.
Hungarian officials said they had denied 16 asylum claims at the frontier within hours and were processing 32 more. Police had arrested 174 people for trying to sneak across the border.
View galleryMigrants look over the fence as a helicopter patrols …
Migrants look over the fence as a helicopter patrols at the Horgos border crossing into Hungary, nea …
Prime Minister Viktor Orban, one of the continent's loudest opponents of mass immigration, says he is acting to save Europe's "Christian values" by blocking the main overland route used by mainly Muslim refugees, who travel through the Balkans and cross his country mainly to reach Germany or Sweden.
Amnesty International accused Hungary of "showing the ugly face of Europe's shambolic response" to the crisis.
The great migration has led to the unraveling of one of the 28-member EU's signature achievements, its Schengen system of border-free travel across much of the continent.
Record arrivals forced Berlin to reimpose emergency frontier controls this week, with several neighbors swiftly following suit. Austria, next on the road from Hungary to Germany, said tougher border measures would take effect at midnight.
Germany stepped up the pressure on EU states resisting the plan to spread refugees around the bloc under a mandatory quota system. Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere said the EU should penalize countries that reject quotas.
View galleryAustrian police is watching refugees after they crossed …
Austrian police is watching refugees after they crossed the border between Hungary and Austria in Ni …
"I think we must talk about ways of exerting pressure," he told ZDF television, adding that some of the countries that opposed quotas were beneficiaries of EU funds.
Tomas Prouza, the Czech State Secretary for the EU, said the apparent German threat to cut off EU funds was "empty but very damaging to all". Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico declared his country would never agree to quotas, and threats of financial retaliation would lead to "the end of the EU".
Merkel later called for a special EU refugee summit, and distanced herself from her minister's comments. "We need to establish a European spirit again," she told a news conference. "I don't think threats are the right way to achieve agreement."
U.S. President Barack Obama said the crisis had worsened and required cooperation from Europe and the United States.
"The United States feels it is important ... to also take our share of Syrian refugees as part of this overall humanitarian effort," he added during a meeting with Spain's King Felipe VI.
View galleryA Hungarian police officer guards a closed railway …
A Hungarian police officer guards a closed railway border crossing between Serbia and Hungary, near …
After later meeting German state leaders, Merkel added: "There was great agreement that we want to give shelter to those people who need shelter, and will do everything humanly possible to do so. On the other hand, we were also clear that those who have no prospect of staying, cannot stay in our country."
EU interior ministers, who failed to agree on Monday on the quota system championed by Germany, will meet again on Sept. 22.
Eastern European countries argue that a welcoming stance encourages more people to come, overwhelming welfare systems and risking the dilution of national cultures.
Under its new rules, Hungary said it had determined Serbia was "safe", and therefore it could automatically deny asylum claims at the border.
"If someone is a refugee, we will ask them whether they have submitted an asylum request in Serbia. If they had not done so, given that Serbia is a safe country, they will be rejected,†Orban was quoted as telling private broadcaster TV2 on Monday.
View galleryMigrants shout to open the border near the village …
Migrants shout to open the border near the village of Horgos, Serbia, September 15, 2015. Hundreds o …
Serbia called the new Hungarian rules "unacceptable". The United Nations disputed the definition of Serbia as safe, saying the poor ex-Yugoslav state lacked capacity to house thousands of refugees turned back at Europe's gates.
Orban says that by reinforcing the EU's external border his government is merely enforcing EU rules, and that no countries are duty-bound to take in refugees that pass through safe states. Critics at home and in European neighbors say some of his rhetoric has crossed a line into alarmism and xenophobia.
Originally posted by Star428
Yeah, of course any army in Europe can easily deal with them but you can still have lots of heads cut off before you stop them. It's not like they will all be waiting in one area for you to annhilate them. THey will be spread out all over Europe.
There are pros and cons of that situation though, the crisis we are having has highlighted several lacking policies over the UE in general. It's an opportunity to get organized and build actual defenses (both in intelligence and manpower), and proper policies for extreme cases such as the ones we meet today. Without an hypothetical danger there wouldn't be improvements at all. A certain degree of risk is necessary for there to be any gain.
I mean, I don't like that people have to die in numbers for change to happen, but that's partly because we are no longer used to feel the consequences of decades of bad policing.
Originally posted by Bentley
There are pros and cons of that situation though, the crisis we are having has highlighted several lacking policies over the UE in general. It's an opportunity to get organized and build actual defenses (both in intelligence and manpower), and proper policies for extreme cases such as the ones we meet today. Without an hypothetical danger there wouldn't be improvements at all. A certain degree of risk is necessary for there to be any gain.I mean, I don't like that people have to die in numbers for change to happen, but that's partly because we are no longer used to feel the consequences of decades of bad policing.
...and if you or someone you love is one of "those people" who have to die for that change to happen? Would you still have that same attitude (assuming you still have your head)?
