European Migration Crisis

Originally posted by Star428
...and if you or someone you love is one of "those people" who have to die for that change to happen? Would you still have that same attitude (assuming you still have your head)?

Well, if I lose my head then I wouldn't really have the opportunity to complain, would I?

There are no wars without victims, I wouldn't cherish to suffer the blunt of an attack, but I understand that our countries are engaged in a war and that casualties are unavoidable. I cannot choose to blind myslef over those issues because I get to live in relative comfort.

You are well aware that our countries are full of lies and that governments live on deception, our current safety is one of those tricks.

Bentley, how do you see the EU handing millions of Syrians and soon Africans into your already unstable union?

Originally posted by Bentley
Well, if I lose my head then I wouldn't really have the opportunity to complain, would I?

There are no wars without victims, I wouldn't cherish to suffer the blunt of an attack, but I understand that our countries are engaged in a war and that casualties are unavoidable. I cannot choose to blind myslef over those issues because I get to live in relative comfort.

You are well aware that our countries are full of lies and that governments live on deception, our current safety is one of those tricks.

LOL. Yeah, I could've worded that better. I was talking more about someone u loved being beheaded. Assuming you love someone besides yourself. Not everybody does, afterall, love someone more than just themselves.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Bentley, how do you see the EU handing millions of Syrians and soon Africans into your already unstable union?

As things are right now, they wouldn't be able to handle it even if they wanted it. The Union is ill-equiped to push policies that need the involvement of every member, the politics are completely disconnected and horizontal. We cannot evaluate how many immigrants we can assimilate, nor prepare decent international politics to defuse them into other countries. As stated several times, we have no proper army.

Right now I don't mind either possible course of action as much as I mind our current inability to properly do anything. When there are some actual politics to discuss on it, I'll gladly discuss them.

So what are you guys going to do with all those people, send them back? I think they should go back and fight their own battles instead of running to others to fix them for them.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So what are you guys going to do with all those people, send them back? I think they should go back and fight their own battles instead of running to others to fix them for them.

It's not easy to choose the better answer without proper evaluation of our capacities. We have limits and beyond those limits, the actions needed will greatly diverse.

There is little point in sending them back to their countries if they are just going to wait for death passibly. If there is a force willing to fight we can prepare them and set them up for it, or we could start to build a possibly political transition, they could be made useful to us to some degree.

More complex solutions such as having them occupy more or less empty lands on Africa could be pushed for. But each solution can only take care of so many people, so their number is an important consideration.

If the problem grows we cannot sit idle and allow all those conflicts to thrive either.

We can't live in a world where we abandon our countries because life is to hard.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
We can't live in a world where we abandon our countries because life is to hard.

Life wasn't "hard" on those countries before the war. That's why solving wars is an important factor to control immigration, these waves of immigrants were non-existant before the wars went off. At this point in time pretty much every country in the world has cities with decent living standards.

There is a natural number of migration going around the world at any given time, but this isn't it.

Lets look at Mexico, there is no war, and they leaving in droves.

We can't abandon our countries.

Originally posted by Bentley
Life wasn't "hard" on those countries before the war. That's why solving wars is an important factor to control immigration, these waves of immigrants were non-existant before the wars went off. At this point in time pretty much every country in the world has cities with decent living standards.

There is a natural number of migration going around the world at any given time, but this isn't it.

Is it too much to ask to ask these people to learn to actually fight instead of running to someplace where others will keep you safe and fight your battles for you if the enemy keeps pursuing you?

Originally posted by Star428
Is it too much to ask to ask these people to learn to actually fight instead of running to someplace where others will keep you safe and fight your battles for you?

😂 😂 😂 😂

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Lets look at Mexico, there is no war, and they leaving in droves.

We can't abandon our countries.

It's impossible to fully block people from leaving their countries, and to some degree is undesirable. You need to have some immigration that you can use for the betterment of your society, so there is competition for opportunities that keeps your native population from being complacent about their situation.

But of course, the difference on living standards between rural Mexico and the US what makes that particular issue complicated. The mexican government must be at fault at some level, if the volumes of people passing illegaly through the border is really that high. Personally I lack of realiable historical data to pass judgement on that, assuming that my opinion on the subject is indeed needed. I'm not an expert on it to say the least.

Originally posted by Star428
Is it too much to ask to ask these people to learn to actually fight instead of running to someplace where others will keep you safe and fight your battles for you if the enemy keeps pursuing you?

I have to ask the same thing here.

Originally posted by Star428
Is it too much to ask to ask these people to learn to actually fight instead of running to someplace where others will keep you safe and fight your battles for you if the enemy keeps pursuing you?

I'm going to overlook the implication of that comment ahah

To be fair, it's pointless to fight a conventional army unless you have a minimal preparation and time to set up. Guerrilla tactics won't win you any conflict in any reasonable delay against a more powerful force. The only proper defense to it is a timely intervention before the war escalâtes which we (as allies to the population) lacked in Syria.

Originally posted by Star428
Is it too much to ask to ask these people to learn to actually fight instead of running to someplace where others will keep you safe and fight your battles for you if the enemy keeps pursuing you?

That has to be sarcasm.

We can't just abandon our countries or wait for the US to save everyone.

Hungary Adopts a Zero Tolerance Policy and now considers all refugees, Illegal Immigrants. Now they are being arrested and detained and to be deported or face jail time.

Also

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/sep/16/first-refugees-head-for-croatia-after-hungarys-border-crackdown-live-updates

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
We can't just abandon our countries or wait for the US to save everyone.

They're not abandoning their country. Their country abandoned them a long time ago, and they just want to survive.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Hungary Adopts a Zero Tolerance Policy and now considers all refugees, Illegal Immigrants. Now they are being arrested and detained and to be deported or face jail time.

Also

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/sep/16/first-refugees-head-for-croatia-after-hungarys-border-crackdown-live-updates

Hungary is still accepting people who do things legally. They closed their gates to people just wandering across the border after 9,000 people just showed up one day.

Most of these "refugees" are healthy males of military age and are running from intruders who have taken over their counterparts country.

These are cowards. Plain and simple.

Not just cowards but covert agents.

Its obvious to see.

They all single males of military age.

Europe is doomed and Hungary knows it, hence them using tear gas on them.

Why is none of the Europeans here opening their homes to these people?

Where is their humanity they preach online?