Originally posted by NewGuy01
Yeah, I thought you were talking about something else, my bad here.I think it means bending space, not bending air.
Either way I don't think it matters all that much, though.
I don't disagree. I'm saying they can't be [b]physically touched
by someone who doesn't possess Rikudo Chakra or Senjutsu.No, that was the whole point of the "bending the space" panel. The reason he was able to get past the TSB at all is because he was moving fast enough that space distorted around him. His foot never came into contact with the rod, it bent around him and snapped.
Were that not the case, the rod would have simply slid through his leg as if it were a lightsaber. [/B]
No prob, lol.
The entire focus of the Gate techniques is utilizing air pressure in attacks. Morning Peacock, Afternoon Tiger, Evening Elephant, Night Moth, etc. The point was to show that Night Moth was so strong that the wind pressure could bend a TSB rod, not to suggest that Gai was so strong that he could warp space-time. Even Kaguya wasn't shown able to do that, and she was a planet buster.
But didn't I just show you that Tobirama GRABBED a TSB, and teleported it away AS it was exploding? He doesn't posses Senjutsu OR Rikudo chakra. He is a Senju, that doesn't automatically give him sage mode.
Refer to above point ^ Tobirama grabbed a TSB right before it exploded, and was unaffected.
Sasuke's Susano'o was ALSO able to grab and stop it, before he even obtained Senjutsu or Rikudo chakra.
And keep in mind that this is Obito AFTER he gained Rikudo chakra, and was able to control the Jyuubi. Meaning that his TSB's negated the edo tensei regen as well. Which means that Tobirama did this all, and even grabbed the TSB without being hurt, and didn't even need to regenerate, proving that touching a TSB won't hurt you, if you're durable enough.
I'm pretty sure there are even more instances, but those suffice.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
So the argument is that Saitama would be able to physically touch Naruto's goudama thus eliminating his advantage? I'm actually curious as to how goudama would even affect him.Also Madara still had his goudama rod after Night Gai landed so Gai did not actually destroy it.
They won't. 👆
And the TSB's are fluid. They can reform or reshape as the user wants them to. So breaking them is kinda pointless, as they can just reform. But the point is that a strong enough person can overpower them, and endure them, without Senjutsu or Rikudo chakra.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Yeah, I was wondering about that. What about Infinite Tsukiyomi? Will it affect him?
Mental attacks haven't affected him yet. And he's fought psychic aliens, and the #2 S-class Psychic hero. So he probably has some form of mental fortitude that ties into some form of energy that he has. That's speculation, but it's too much of a variable at this point, to say whether Infinite Tsukiyomi would work.
Originally posted by yungz22
what avbout sealing techniques
Most sealing techniques could be overpowered just by being strong enough. Even the super advanced ones, like Edo tensei. Madara broke out of that, just by flexing his chakra.
Although I'd still say that the Totsuka blade would probably be unbreakable, even to people like Kaguya. And therefor, Saitama as well. But this is Naruto vs Saitama, not Itachi.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Yeah, I was wondering about that. What about Infinite Tsukiyomi? Will it affect him?
Originally posted by yungz22
he hasnt shwon any defense to those type attacks or sealing techniques
See my point?
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
The entire focus of the Gate techniques is utilizing air pressure in attacks. Morning Peacock, Afternoon Tiger, Evening Elephant, Night Moth, etc. The point was to show that Night Moth was so strong that the wind pressure could bend a TSB rod
It's possible, but that's not the impression the text gave me.
Kaguya wasn't shown able to do that, and she was a planet buster.
Well, Kaguya is slower than Gai.
But didn't I just show you that Tobirama GRABBED a TSB, and teleported it away AS it was exploding? He doesn't posses Senjutsu OR Rikudo chakra. He is a Senju, that doesn't automatically give him sage mode.
I suspect that he was only lightly touching it, which is all that's needed for Hiraishin. That would still damage the surface of his hand, but he's made out of earth and feels no pain. We've seen Edo-Tensei bodies get disintegrated by the stuff before.
Sasuke's Susano'o was ALSO able to grab and stop it, before he even obtained Senjutsu or Rikudo chakra.
As I recall, that didn't actually stop it.
They won't. 👆
Possible, but nothing within the Narutoverse can beat them conventionally.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
It's possible, but that's not the impression the text gave me.Well, Kaguya is slower than Gai.
I suspect that he was only lightly touching it, which is all that's needed for Hiraishin. That would still damage the surface of his hand, but he's made out of earth and feels no pain. We've seen Edo-Tensei bodies get disintegrated by the stuff before.
As I recall, that didn't actually stop it.
Possible, but nothing within the Narutoverse can beat them conventionally.
Well that's kinda been the point of the Gate attacks that Gai uses, over the course of the entire series. Which is the reason that Hirudora completely ate Kisame's Super Shark Bomb. Remember?
Well yeah, but Kaguya is pretty slow, tbh. She's also not demonstrably that physically strong. She just has 10X more chakra than anyone else on the planet. She was even slow enough to get dominated by bloodlusted Naruto, who wasn't able to blitz Jyuubidara, even with Hiraishin.
So? lol, lightly touching is still touching. And if it would disintegrate him, like you say, he wouldn't be able to make contact AT ALL, since it would completely vaporize any part of him that touched it. But he clearly had enough durability to withstand it. Whether he infused his hand with chakra to do so or not, it still proves me right. 👆
And no, we've seen Edo tensei bodies get destroyed by TSB's offensive power, when being launched by the user. Meaning it had enough force in it to destroy the body, not that it simply vaporized it by touching it. The TSB does damage more similar to a bullet, than a laser. It's essentially a super hot, hard projectile. And if you can withstand the heat, you can touch it while it's not moving. But that doesn't mean you'll be strong enough to grab it while it's being shot at you.
He... Did. I just showed the scan. That's the only reason Minato wasn't killed.
And by nothing in the Narutoverse can beat them conventionally, you mean the TSB's? I wouldn't say that. Again, Gai demonstrated that you can definitely break them, if you're strong enough. The only reason we see people with Rikudo chakra and Senjutsu fighting them capably so much, is because people with Rikudo chakra and Senjutsu are STRONGER than those without it. Hell, Naruto in simple Rikudo BASE form was able to KICK a TSB away, like it was a soccer ball. That was simply because he was strong enough to, because he got that much more powerful.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
No prob, lol.The entire focus of the Gate techniques is utilizing air pressure in attacks. Morning Peacock, Afternoon Tiger, Evening Elephant, Night Moth, etc. The point was to show that Night Moth was so strong that the wind pressure could bend a TSB rod, not to suggest that Gai was so strong that he could warp space-time. Even Kaguya wasn't shown able to do that, and she was a planet buster.
But didn't I just show you that Tobirama GRABBED a TSB, and teleported it away AS it was exploding? He doesn't posses Senjutsu OR Rikudo chakra. He is a Senju, that doesn't automatically give him sage mode.
Refer to above point ^ Tobirama grabbed a TSB right before it exploded, and was unaffected.
Sasuke's Susano'o was ALSO able to grab and stop it, before he even obtained Senjutsu or Rikudo chakra.
And keep in mind that this is Obito AFTER he gained Rikudo chakra, and was able to control the Jyuubi. Meaning that his TSB's negated the edo tensei regen as well. Which means that Tobirama did this all, and even grabbed the TSB without being hurt, and didn't even need to regenerate, proving that touching a TSB won't hurt you, if you're durable enough.
I'm pretty sure there are even more instances, but those suffice.
They won't. 👆
And the TSB's are fluid. They can reform or reshape as the user wants them to. So breaking them is kinda pointless, as they can just reform. But the point is that a strong enough person can overpower them, and endure them, without Senjutsu or Rikudo chakra.
Mental attacks haven't affected him yet. And he's fought psychic aliens, and the #2 S-class Psychic hero. So he probably has some form of mental fortitude that ties into some form of energy that he has. That's speculation, but it's too much of a variable at this point, to say whether Infinite Tsukiyomi would work.
Most sealing techniques could be overpowered just by being strong enough. Even the super advanced ones, like Edo tensei. Madara broke out of that, just by flexing his chakra.
Although I'd still say that the Totsuka blade would probably be unbreakable, even to people like Kaguya. And therefor, Saitama as well. But this is Naruto vs Saitama, not Itachi.
who in naruto overpowerd a sealing technique?
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
The only techniques that can possibly overpower Saitama, imo, is Infinite Tsukiyomi and Six Paths Chibaku Tensei. And probably TSB.Kaguya can win by BFR via dimension warping.
^This.
And Kaguya could BFR him, but that's not really her style. She prefers to leach off of her enemies, before she kills them, which would lead to Saitama figuring out her dimension hopping, and, IMO, being able to make it back to the real world.
And of course, once he gets serious, he'd one-shot her.
Well that's kinda been the point of the Gate attacks that Gai uses, over the course of the entire series. Which is the reason that Hirudora completely ate Kisame's Super Shark Bomb. Remember?
Oh, I do. I'm just saying that Gai was already firing pressurized air canons throughout the fight, and this in particular seemed different; enough so to shock Madara.
Well yeah, but Kaguya is pretty slow, tbh. She's also not demonstrably that physically strong. She just has 10X more chakra than anyone else on the planet. She was even slow enough to get dominated by bloodlusted Naruto, who wasn't able to blitz Jyuubidara, even with Hiraishin.
Whether this is true or not, it's irrelevant to my point,
So? lol, lightly touching is still touching. And if it would disintegrate him, like you say, he wouldn't be able to make contact AT ALL, since it would completely vaporize any part of him that touched it. But he clearly had enough durability to withstand it.
It wouldn't disintegrate him, it would just disintegrate any part of him that touched it. I.E, only the palm of his hand. It's stated to be similar but more powerful than the Atomic Dismantling Jutsu, and that effortlessly tore apart dozens of Madara's complete Susano'o lol.
He... Did. I just showed the scan. That's the only reason Minato wasn't killed.
I'm saying essentially it "delayed", rather than "stopped". And that was an incomplete TSB.
Refer to what I said above, too; it's destructive power surpasses Atomic Dismantling, which rips through stronger Susano'o like nothing.
And by nothing in the Narutoverse can beat them conventionally, you mean the TSB's? I wouldn't say that. Again, Gai demonstrated that you can definitely break them, if you're strong enough.
He couldn't beat them conventionally. Prior to Night Moth, he needed extensive aid from Minato's Hiraishin and Kakashi's Kamui to get past them and pound on Madara.
The only reason Night Moth was different was because he was moving so fast that the space bent around him, making it so he never came I to contact with the rod. I wouldn't call that conventional.
No one else in the Narutoverse ever moved nearly that fast, anyhow. It's basically a tactic exclusive to him.
Hell, Naruto in simple Rikudo BASE form was able to KICK a TSB away, like it was a soccer ball. That was simply because he was strong enough to, because he got that much more powerful.
Again, that's because he possesses Hagoromo's chakra. Anyone who possesses it can touch them freely, hence why Madara and Obito can in the first place.
Notice that Madara didn't believe that should have been possible.
If Saitama is serious, as in, just using the power we know he has coupled with the out-of-character intent to put the verse away before they have a chance to attack; I think Saitama can win this, easily. I'm only 3 volumes into OPM and I think Ive seen enough to put Saitama over everyone in terms of speed and power.
However, if he decides, much like he normally does, to see what his opponents are made of; some of the Jutsu's discussed already will likely do him in.
The thing is, he'll probably just tank even the strongest attacks, like TSB and Midnight Moth. If not, he's still fast enough to evade them. I don't think 6 Paths Chibaku Tensei will hold him for long either, once he gets really pissed. The only attacks that will surely affect him are the passive ones, like Infinite Tsukiyomi and Kaguya's dimension warping.