Originally posted by NewGuy01
Oh, I do. I'm just saying that Gai was already firing pressurized air canons throughout the fight, and this in particular seemed different; enough so to shock Madara.Whether this is true or not, it's irrelevant to my point,
It wouldn't disintegrate him, it would just disintegrate any part of him that touched it. I.E, only the palm of his hand. It's stated to be similar but more powerful than the Atomic Dismantling Jutsu, and that effortlessly tore apart dozens of Madara's complete Susano'o lol.
I'm saying essentially it "delayed", rather than "stopped". And that was an incomplete TSB.
Refer to what I said above, too; it's destructive power surpasses Atomic Dismantling, which rips through stronger Susano'o like nothing.
He couldn't beat them conventionally. Prior to Night Moth, he needed extensive aid from Minato's Hiraishin and Kakashi's Kamui to get past them and pound on Madara.
The only reason Night Moth was different was because he was moving so fast that the space bent around him, making it so he never came I to contact with the rod. I wouldn't call that conventional.
No one else in the Narutoverse ever moved nearly that fast, anyhow. It's basically a tactic exclusive to him.
Again, that's because he possesses Hagoromo's chakra. Anyone who possesses it can touch them freely, hence why Madara and Obito can in the first place.
Notice that Madara didn't believe that should have been possible.
1. It was no different than the air pressure created by Evening Elephant. The only difference is that it was simply so much stronger, that it was able to bend a TSB rod. Where before, it wasn't. Which is what shocked Madara.
2. Yes, but my point is still that no one else had "warped space-time" in the series, despite moving faster and hitting harder than Gai. But plenty of other people broke TSB rods, and did feats similar to that.
3. Clearly you're not understanding here. Going by what you claim, the more that Tobirama would try to grab it, the more his hand would be closing into a fist. This means that his hand would be directly traveling towards the CENTER of the Goudama. IF the Goudama indeed effected him, like you claim, NOT ONLY would his hand have been incapable of gripping it to teleport(because his hand would have been erased as he tried to make a fist around it), but we ALSO would have seen his injury, as he wouldn't have regenerated despite being an edo tensei. Meaning he didn't just lightly graze the surface, he didn't get slightly hurt, he GRIPPED the TSB, and warped it away. Which is the entire point of the scene. You're wrong. Move on. 👆
Who cares? It still STOPPED its movement. And if you're trying to convince me that Sasuke's Susano'o is weaker than a 4% clone Madara's Susano'o, then you're fighting a losing battle already, pal. Sasuke's partial Susano'o shielded him from things that Madara's 4% power clones didn't even have a chance to defend against, like Guillotine drop, Laiger Bomb, etc. And that was a WAY weaker Sasuke, before he even got EMS. Sasuke at the point of deflecting Juubito's TSB was definitely strong enough to do so. This is not an outlier feat. 👆
Refer to what I said above. 👆 Atomic Dismantling "ripped though" the PARTIAL Susano'o's of Madara's clones, which were a scant 4% of his full power, and even THEY were toying with the Gokage. And atomic dismantling isn't even that impressive of an attack. We saw it put to shame by a KCM Naruto clones planetary rasengan, meaning it is pretty weak sauce. Which Madara's clone's and their Susano'o's were as well.
Naruto himself moves faster than that, when he was in Asura mode against Kaguya. He was able to imitate, and even outdo, Hiraishin with just his sheer speed alone. Gai was still visible to Jyuubidara, who's visual prowess was NOT as great as Kaguya's, meaning that Naruto was moving faster when he yanked her arm off. And again, you're claiming that Gai warped space-time, when all he did was break the TSB rod through sheer wind pressure. The word for warped and bent are interchangeable in both English and Japanese. If Madara wanted to say that Gai was warping space-time, he would have said so, or he would have at least used a different word, like distorted, or something. We've been over this a dozen times, his main power in his gates are wind pressure from his attacks speed. This is no different. 👆
Yes, Madara didn't believe that it should have been possible, because Naruto was in BASE form. That was before he even saw his eyes, or noticed the Rikudo chakra in him. Meaning he was probably a little pissed to see Naruto kick away one of his most powerful attacks in his base form. Which is understandable, given how big of an ego Madara has. Not to mention the fact that even someone like Tobirama, who was much stronger than base mode Naruto, had to warp it away, and couldn't just toss it back at Jyuubito. The point is that Naruto not only became strong enough to overpower the force Madara was controlling it with, but he also became durable enough to withstand touching it directly.
This is Naruto. There is no magical energy that can overcome any amount of strength no matter what. That has been the biggest plot point through the series, that hard work can overcome natural talent. Meaning that since Saitama is more powerful, and more durable than ANYONE in Naruto, Kaguya included, he would be MORE than capable of freely grabbing a TSB, and jamming it up her baby maker.
Your entire argument here is that TSB's can magically bypass any durability, as long as you don't have Rikudo or Sage chakra. Which simply isn't true. You might as well say that Superman couldn't grab one either, without his hand being vaporized. 👆