Originally posted by quanchi112
Not canon.
Not canon and not evidence are two separate things. Here legends count as you see all the legends threads. Also this is Dookumas a Jedi and we don't have any real feats for him, just Yoda saying powerful you have become Dooku and that was a Sith and that Yoda was his master. All very vague and doesn't lead to enough, so we use EU to help his feats since that's all we have mostly.
Originally posted by TrocityNo, he knows that the entire enterprise crew is against him aboard their ship. He is about to crush Spock's skull and his backup and a phaser arrives. Quit ignoring the scene, common sense, and the context of the scene.
Spock loses his weapon at the beginning of the sequence. Khan runs after he realizes Spock is more than a match for him.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Default rules and continuity matter.
Not canon and not evidence are two separate things. Here legends count as you see all the legends threads. Also this is Dookumas a Jedi and we don't have any real feats for him, just Yoda saying powerful you have become Dooku and that was a Sith and that Yoda was his master. All very vague and doesn't lead to enough, so we use EU to help his feats since that's all we have mostly.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he knows that the entire enterprise crew is against him aboard their ship. He is about to crush Spock's skull and his backup and a phaser arrives. Quit ignoring the scene, common sense, and the context of the scene.
Khan kicks Spock's gun away right at the start of the sequence when he is hanging onto the edge of one of those red ships they're on. Khan then tosses him and once Spock regains his feet, he dodges a slow punch from Khan and starts kicking his ass, bringing him to his knees with a nerve pinch. Khan tries to crush his head, gets nerve pinched again, knees Spock and runs away.
Spock was more than a match for Khan.
Originally posted by TrocityKhan just crash landed. Spock was in tip top shape and had Kirk just died rage. Khan knew Spock was beamed down with the aid of the enterprise crew. He was right to run as he wasn't just against one guy in a fair fight. They fought and Khan was crushing his skull when Uhura beamed on. In hand to hand Khan won. With guns earlier Khan disarmed Spock easily. Khan was on another level.
Khan kicks Spock's gun away right at the start of the sequence when he is hanging onto the edge of one of those red ships they're on. Khan then tosses him and once Spock regains his feet, he dodges a slow punch from Khan and starts kicking his ass, bringing him to his knees with a nerve pinch. Khan tries to crush his head, gets nerve pinched again, knees Spock and runs away.Spock was more than a match for Khan.
Khan only had the upper hand during the fight when Spock was dangling off the edge of the ships. Spock got back to his feet on the first one and proceeded to throw Khan a beat down. Khan only gains the upper hand again because he lands on the second ship feet first whereas Spock rolls off and grabs the edge again.
Khan does not allow him to regain his feet this time because he knows Spock will bring him to his knees again. Khan would have lost on a flat terrain.
Originally posted by TrocityKhan had the upper hand on the first ship. He kneed Spock into the ground and wasn't on his backside. Spock was but he understood that he just wasn't up against Spock and was later proven to be correct.
Khan only had the upper hand during the fight when Spock was dangling off the edge of the ships. Spock got back to his feet on the first one and proceeded to throw Khan a beat down. Khan only gains the upper hand again because he lands on the second ship feet first whereas Spock rolls off and grabs the edge again.Khan does not allow him to regain his feet this time because he knows Spock will bring him to his knees again. Khan would have lost on a flat terrain.
Speculative nonsense. Khan had the upper hand the entire time and resisted the nerve pinch despite the crash landing. Also speculative as Khan was able to fight through anything Spock throes at him when the fights were one on one. Use evidence to support your asinine position not speculative, theoretical, unprovable nonsense.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Default rules and continuity matter.
Well this is a legends forum so default is legends actaully, but we won't get into that. Here it's about legends and canon, why can't they go together? Legends shows the better feats and in some cases is actually in line with the movies and TCW.
Why do you insist on arguing with Quan using Legends feats when he doesn't accept them?
You could easily prove your point using the Disney continuity feats that still shit on Khan's, make Sheev and force users still look impressive and... wait... he won't listen to those either...
Why do you insist on getting into page long debates with him to begin with?
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2One counts one doesn't. That's all there is to it. Honestly.
Well this is a legends forum so default is legends actaully, but we won't get into that. Here it's about legends and canon, why can't they go together? Legends shows the better feats and in some cases is actually in line with the movies and TCW.