Jedi Dooku vs. ROTS Obi Wan Kenobi

Started by quanchi1125 pages

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Why do you insist on arguing with Quan using Legends feats when he doesn't accept them?

You could easily prove your point using the Disney continuity feats that still shit on Khan's, make Sheev and force users still look impressive and... wait... he won't listen to those either...

Why do you insist on getting into page long debates with him to begin with?

When have I ever refused to accept a canon feat ? There's a difference between accepting your perception aka over exaggeration of a feat and the fact itself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
One counts one doesn't. That's all there is to it. Honestly.

To you you mean. Here everything counts, canon and legends. To you maybe not. Well your preference nothin anyone can do about it.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
To you you mean. Here everything counts, canon and legends. To you maybe not. Well your preference nothin anyone can do about it.
Default rules. Disney decides what counts not you. They haven't been back and forth on the matter either.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Default rules. Disney decides what counts not you. They haven't been back and forth on the matter either.

Default rules in a legends thread is legends. Actaully they don't, the thread masters do.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Default rules in a legends thread is legends. Actaully they don't, the thread masters do.
Default rules. Read them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Default rules. Read them.

Forum you're in look at that.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Forum you're in look at that.
Reread the rules.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Reread the rules.

Look at the forum you're in. Look at the thread. This is an EU side of a character. There are no canon feats for Jedi Dooku.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Look at the forum you're in. Look at the thread. This is an EU side of a character. There are no canon feats for Jedi Dooku.
Again I only debate Canon feats. Take that up with some other eu fan.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again I only debate Canon feats. Take that up with some other eu fan.

Then you,can't debate Jedi Dooku.

If you read the Rots novel, Kenobi has gotten better as a duelist, a lil better than Dooku who was getting tired (to be fair to him). Dooku advantage was his force abilities and droids to back him up.

Originally posted by joesha28
If you read the Rots novel, Kenobi has gotten better as a duelist, a lil better than Dooku who was getting tired (to be fair to him). Dooku advantage was his force abilities and droids to back him up.

Say what? Even in that Stover's shitnovel Dooku bested Kenobi with a kick. He was better duelist, better fighter and far superior Force user. In almost every single source, besides one stupid game.

Dooku comfortable.

Btw, it would be great to see a stroy that would take place befote TPM, and with Jeremy Irons as younger Count Dooku.

Kenobi's Master had been Qui-Gon Jinn, Dooku's own Padawan; Dooku had fenced Qui-Gon thousands of times, and he knew every weakness of the Ataro form, with its ridiculous ac- robatics. He drove a series of flashing thrusts toward Kenobi's legs to draw the Jedi Master into a flipping overhead leap so that Dooku could burn through his spine from kidneys to shoulder blades—and this image, this plan, was so clear in Dooku's mind that he almost failed to notice that Kenobi met every one of his thrusts without so much as moving his feet, staying perfectly centered, perfectly balanced, blade never moving a millimeter more than was necessary, deflecting without effort, riposting with flickering strikes and stabs swifter than the tongue of a Garollian ghost viper, and when Dooku felt Skywalker regain his feet and stride once more toward his back, he finally registered the source of that blinding defensive velocity Kenobi had used a moment ago, and only then, belatedly, did he understand that Kenobi's Ataro and Shii-Cho had been ploys, as well.
Kenobi had become a master of Soresu.
Dooku found himself having a sudden, unexpected, over- powering, and entirely distressing bad feeling about this...
His farce had suddenly, inexplicably, spun from humorous to deadly serious and was tumbling rapidly toward terrifying. Real- ization burst through Dooku's consciousness like the blossoming fireballs of dying ships outside: this pair of Jedi fools had somehow managed to become entirely dangerous.
These clowns might—just possibly—actually be able to beat him.

He gathered the Force once more in a single indrawn breath that summoned power from throughout the universe; the slightest whipcrack of that power, negligent as a flick of his wrist, sent Kenobi flying backward to crash hard against the wall, but Dooku didn't have time to enjoy it.

That blue blade was everywhere, flashing and whirling faster and faster until Dooku saw the room through an electric haze and now Kenobi was back in the picture: with a shout of the Force, he shot like a torpedo up the stairs behind Skywalker, and Dooku decided that under these rather extreme circumstances, it was at least arguably permissible for a gentleman to cheat.
"Guards!" he said to the pair of super battle droids that still stood at attention to either side of the entrance. "Open fire!"
Instantly the two droids sprang forward and lifted their hands. Energy hammered out from the heavy blasters built into their arms; Skywalker whirled and his blade batted every blast back at the droids, whose mirror-polished carapace armor deflected the bolts again. Galvened particle beams screeched through the room in blinding ricochets.
Kenobi reached the top of the stairs and a single slash of his lightsaber dismantled both droids. Before their pieces could even hit the floor Dooku was in motion, landing a spinning side-stamp that folded Skywalker in half; he used his last burst of dark power to continue his spin into a blindingly fast wheel-kick that brought his heel against the point of Kenobi's chin with a crack like the report of a huge-bore slugthrower, knocking the Jedi Master back down the stairs. Sounded like he'd broken his neck.

From ROTS novel.

As you can See Dooku was matched by Kenobi in dueling and eventually cheated by calling out the droids.

Canonically that's nonsense though. Dooku absolutely crushes Kenobi physically in Season 6 of TCWs even with Anakin as back up.

Who cares. Dooku was already exhausted at that point. So Kenobi could fight an exhausted old man on equal terms in dueling ability. And yeah useing droids was an aweful cheat. Sad, that Kenobi had an assist from Skywalker, who made Dooku exhausted by himself. Kenobi was not more, then a discraction all the time.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Canonically that's nonsense though. Dooku absolutely crushes Kenobi physically in Season 6 of TCWs even with Anakin as back up.

Vos goes from getting stomped to beat Dooku within a single book and no one bats an eye.
Kenobi improves from TCW Season 6 to RotS which is a whole year and everyone loses their minds.

SW community double standards are amazing.

Well, does it change anything? In the movie Kenobi wasn't much of a factor, "Risne and Fall of DV" (nearly fully consistent with movie) confirms that. In Stover's shitnovel Kenobi was barely equal to exhausted Dooku in terms of dueling, and still was physcically stomped. Dooku had assistance from two droids while Kenobi had Anakin's assistance. Sounds nearly fair.

And you know what is the worst double standard that is using on that site by many? They're using parts of shitnovel to prove that Kenobi was equal duelist to Dooku, and then they're using part of the movie to prove that Dooku was unable to beat Kenobi by sabers/physical attacks.
That's pathetic. Kenobi will never beat Dooku, until "Rebels" will made his post-ROTS version stronger then his ROTS version.

Wow, whem did Kenobi shit in your coffee?

Yeye, you're fine.

Anyway, I like Kenobi. I just don't like his fanboys, that's all.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Then you,can't debate Jedi Dooku.
Based off implications I definitely can.