Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
The film was cannon. Although SJ already addressed this.
It wasn't canon. In fact Akira wrote his own DB prequel that contradicts "Bardock: Father of Goku" in a number of ways. With that being the case the film, which was already considered non canon by many, was placed firmly in the non canon section
Originally posted by Sj_Sharp
Here it is:
The actual planet's destruction wasn't shown tho. The scan with Frieza and Bardock could have been Frieza killing him before attacking the planet as a whole. Or Frieza destroying Vegeta like he did Namek(chain reaction) and Bardock dying in the explosion "5 minutes" later. We were never given specifics and the only time we actually see Frieza blown a planet up it is when he is about 200x stronger and still he fails to one shot it. Granted he admits he held back but we have no idea as to how much
Originally posted by juggerman
The actual planet's destruction wasn't shown tho. The scan with Frieza and Bardock could have been Frieza killing him before attacking the planet as a whole. Or Frieza destroying Vegeta like he did Namek(chain reaction) and Bardock dying in the explosion "5 minutes" later. We were never given specifics and the only time we actually see Frieza blown a planet up it is when he is about 200x stronger and still he fails to one shot it. Granted he admits he held back but we have no idea as to how much
Edit: The special was detailed to the chapters being discussed. But it was confirmed in ROF anyway's, so it is still cannon.
Originally posted by juggerman
The actual planet's destruction wasn't shown tho. The scan with Frieza and Bardock could have been Frieza killing him before attacking the planet as a whole. Or Frieza destroying Vegeta like he did Namek(chain reaction) and Bardock dying in the explosion "5 minutes" later. We were never given specifics and the only time we actually see Frieza blown a planet up it is when he is about 200x stronger and still he fails to one shot it. Granted he admits he held back but we have no idea as to how much
Conjecture.
Come on, you are now just refusing to accept evidence: Freeza tells us he destroyed the planet, we see Bardock in space along with Freeza's goons (like in the anime), finally we see Bardock exploding along the planet, with 1st form Freeza pointing his finger like in the anime.
Then, after the manga, anime itself is second-canon source, and there we see the full scene (which is totally coincident) of planet destruction.
We know for certain how things went from both manga, anime and also new specials, there's no point in denying facts. 😉
Originally posted by Sj_Sharp
Conjecture.
Come on, you are now just refusing to accept evidence: Freeza tells us he destroyed the planet, we see Bardock in space along with Freeza's goons (like in the anime), finally we see Bardock exploding along the planet, with 1st form Freeza pointing his finger like in the anime.
Then, after the manga, anime itself is second-canon source, and there we see the full scene (which is totally coincident) of planet destruction.
We know for certain how things went from both manga, anime and also new specials, there's no point in denying facts. 😉
The new manga totally ignores BFoG. While Bardock may have confronted Frieza, he was not able to see the future, he was not betrayed and almost killed by Dodoria, he was not laughed out of a bar ect. Basically nothing besides Bardock guessing something was up was kept. So are we to assume the story AK actually wrote is less canon than the one he didn't write?
Originally posted by juggerman
The new manga totally ignores BFoG. While Bardock may have confronted Frieza, he was not able to see the future, he was not betrayed and almost killed by Dodoria, he was not laughed out of a bar ect. Basically nothing besides Bardock guessing something was up was kept. So are we to assume the story AK actually wrote is less canon than the one he didn't write?
Yes. Toriyama even admitted that his writing doesn't make a lot of sense anymore, because he can't remember things that well. He's getting old, christ. His new material no longer supersedes the old material, given that he even stated that the Daizenshuu's were more accurate than his own series.
Originally posted by Sj_Sharp
Conjecture.
Come on, you are now just refusing to accept evidence: Freeza tells us he destroyed the planet, we see Bardock in space along with Freeza's goons (like in the anime), finally we see Bardock exploding along the planet, with 1st form Freeza pointing his finger like in the anime.
Then, after the manga, anime itself is second-canon source, and there we see the full scene (which is totally coincident) of planet destruction.
We know for certain how things went from both manga, anime and also new specials, there's no point in denying facts. 😉
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He's always wrong. Anyways, Frieza destroyed planet Vegeta with his finger.
Originally posted by juggerman
I didn't low ball Frieza once. He was around 50% of his power when he fired that blast. Are you arguing at 50% he fired an attack less than .25%? Doesn't really fit in with what we know about him
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Yep...you're trying to hard. Let's move on since we both know you are wrong. Stop being in denial.
Also, let me repeat this again for you. Frieza before being hit by the Spirit bomb was at 50% of his power. When the bomb HIT him, he was near depletion.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Okay, since your entire argument is relying on the whole hyperbole thing, entertain me here.1. Show me Superman destroying a planet.
2. Show me Imperiex Prime destroying a universe.
3. Show me Nekron destroying a universe.
These are all feats that these characters can achieve, but NEVER HAVE BEFORE. You know how we know they can achieve them? BECAUSE IT WAS STATED.
YOU STILL HAVE YET TO SHOW ANYTHING FROM DBZ THAT CONTRADICTS CELL BEING A SOLAR SYSTEM BUSTER. Your entire argument here is that it's contradicted, and you still haven't shown a damn thing that contradicts it. When Brem compliments your debating style, you know you're doing something wrong. 👆
Kishimoto DID [B]NOT
write that Haku was light speed. EVER. Not in a databook, not in the manga, not in ANY version of the series. It was stated ONCE in the English dub that Haku's mirror's let him travel at the speed of light. I can provide the link. BUT IT WAS A DUBBING ERROR.Haku EXPLICITLY states that the mirrors "transport" him. There is absolutely NO indication of the speed, WHATSOEVER.
STOP. LYING.
And Buu WAS more than a planet buster. In the original translated manga, Supreme Kai stated that Kid Buu had destroyed "entire galaxies". And this was in "just a few, short years". And Kid Buu couldn't teleport at the time, meaning that he either went around on certain planets and destroyed them, before flying MFTL+++++ to other planets, or he tortured people on certain planets, and destroyed entire galaxies when he felt like it. So take your pick.
SO SINCE YOU SEEM TO BE LEARNING DISABLED, I WILL MAKE THIS AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE FOR YOU. EITHER SHOW CONTRADICTORY EVIDENCE AGAINST CELL BEING A SOLAR SYSTEM BUSTER, OR STOP REPLYING. 👆 [/B]
Still you using an idiotic dbz logic. Dbz unlike DC or Marvel comics are linear in power levels. That means, if i have a greater power level than you, then i can achieve greater feats than you.
Lets play you're idiotic games.
1. Show me Goku blowing up a planet, then ill you show you Superman blowing one up.
2. Show me Buu/Beerus blowing up Universe, then ill show you Imperiex blowing one up.
3. Show me Whis, who is more powerful than Beerus blowing up a Universe, then i'll show you Nekron doing the same.
You're stupid logic doesn't work. Like i said before, DBZ power level is one of the most linear powers in fiction out there. If i have more Ki than you, then am stronger.
I've already proven multiple times on how Cell contradicts itself. He claimed that his Kamehameha Waves is a Solar System buster, yet Buu who is at least x10 more powerful than him never achieved, nor showed anything even close to that.
Wrong, Databook claimed Haku is lightspeed because of the way his mirror technique worked. We know it's false because it contradicts itself. No one in Naruto is lightspeed.
All Buu has ever showed was Planet busting, no more no less. Is he a casual Planet buster? **** yes. But he's nothing more unless proven other wise. Kid Buu never once destroyed a Galaxy in a single blast. We know that because Bibidi was traveling with Kid Buu from Planet to Planet. Unless were now claiming that Bibidi is FTL.
Kid Buu is not, nor have he ever showed you're so called MTFL+++ speed. That's just bullshit you're trowing out of you're ass number.
News Flash, Dbz have no Solar System Buster, nor Galaxies Buster, nor Universe Buster until actual proof is given, and not say so by tards.
Originally posted by carver9
👇Yep...you're trying to hard. Let's move on since we both know you are wrong. Stop being in denial.
Also, let me repeat this again for you. Frieza before being hit by the Spirit bomb was at 50% of his power. When the bomb HIT him, he was near depletion.
I'm not wrong you are just denying facts. Frieza was still powerful enough to take hits from SSJ1 Goku before he fired his blast. Had he been even close to his First Form power Goku would have killed him by blinking too hard. Keep trying tho
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
And Buu WAS more than a planet buster. In the original translated manga, Supreme Kai stated that Kid Buu had destroyed "entire galaxies". And this was in "just a few, short years".
Quick question about this part. We are talking about a "god" here. I mean Supreme Kai has lived for millions and millions of years right. So isn't it possible "a few short years" to him could be 100? Even 1,000? I mean to an immortal being that has already lived several million years, I would think a century wouldn't be given a second thought. What do you think?
Originally posted by juggerman
I'm not wrong you are just denying facts. Frieza was still powerful enough to take hits from SSJ1 Goku before he fired his blast. Had he been even close to his First Form power Goku would have killed him by blinking too hard. Keep trying tho
Goku was obviously not trying. Frieza tells us that the blast took all of his power. I don't understand why you are ignoring this.
Originally posted by carver9
Goku was obviously not trying. Frieza tells us that the blast took all of his power. I don't understand why you are ignoring this.
So Goku, who just saw his best friend murdered and Gohan's step father critically injured, lowered his power to below First Form Frieza level because..... what? Keep in mind Goku would have to lower his power to lower than a percent in your mind for no other reason than to make your silly claim work. He was angry as hell. Even goofy playful Goku doesn't hold back that much. Keep dreaming
Originally posted by juggerman
So Goku, who just saw his best friend murdered and Gohan's step father critically injured, lowered his power to below First Form Frieza level because..... what? Keep in mind Goku would have to lower his power to lower than a percent in your mind for no other reason than to make your silly claim work. He was angry as hell. Even goofy playful Goku doesn't hold back that much. Keep dreaming
Goku tells us why he didn't outright kill Frieza, he wanted to fight Frieza at his best which is the reason he allowed him to power up. Lol...your argument is still flawed because if Goku wasn't holding back, Frieza at 50% of his power would still get killed by a single hit from a full powered Super Saiyan Goku.