Originally posted by carver9
Goku tells us why he didn't outright kill Frieza, he wanted to fight Frieza at his best which is the reason he allowed him to power up. Lol...your argument is still flawed because if Goku wasn't holding back, Frieza at 50% of his power would still get killed by a single hit from a full powered Super Saiyan Goku.
Holding back 50% of your power and 99.99% is a huge difference Carv and you know it. Goku's attacks were a lot like the attacks SSJ2 Gohan used on Cell. Frieza being spent immediately after the bomb went off doesn't mean he was First Form weak. No evidence supports that and again all evidence supports the opposite as a pissed off Goku didn't one shot him. Also you'd have to ignore that fact that the SSJ transformation was new to Goku and he did not have full control over it to fine tune it to less that 1% as you claim
Originally posted by carver9
Don't know what you're talking about.
I can link it if you'd like. I'm nice like that
Originally posted by juggerman
Holding back 50% of your power and 99.99% is a huge difference Carv and you know it. Goku's attacks were a lot like the attacks SSJ2 Gohan used on Cell. Frieza being spent immediately after the bomb went off doesn't mean he was First Form weak. No evidence supports that and again all evidence supports the opposite as a pissed off Goku didn't one shot him. Also you'd have to ignore that fact that the SSJ transformation was new to Goku and he did not have full control over it to fine tune it to less that 1% as you claimI can link it if you'd like. I'm nice like that
Don't think you understand what power levels means in DBZ. If someone is half of the strength of another character and the stronger one is going all out, it is a one shot. The only thing that contradicts this is if Goku was holding back, which he was since his goal was to fight Frieza at his Prime.
Frieza tells us that surviving the spirit bomb depleted him of his power. Don't debate against me about this, you probably should write Akira.
Originally posted by juggermanI think the word "galaxies" was NEVER once referenced in the canon manga dialogue. 🙂
Quick question about this part. We are talking about a "god" here. I mean Supreme Kai has lived for millions and millions of years right. So isn't it possible "a few short years" to him could be 100? Even 1,000? I mean to an immortal being that has already lived several million years, I would think a century wouldn't be given a second thought. What do you think?
Even though I've provided 'Gogeta Toriyama' with the canon line(s) from the official Japanese and VIZ copies numerous times, he still clings to the non-canon dialogue from the scanlation/anime, lol.
Anyway, here is the official Japanese translation:
Chapter: 445 (DBZ 251), P13.3-5
Kaioshin: "Long ago, about when humanity on Earth had just begun to walk on 2 legs... In the depths of space, there was an extremely evil wizard called "Bibidi"... One day, by chance Bibidi happened to create a terrible monster... An extraordinarily terrifying majin called "Boo"... Majin Boo had neither reason nor emotions, and devoted himself to nothing but destruction and slaughter... A monster born only to inspire fear in living things... In just a few years, hundreds of planets were transformed into dead worlds..."
And here is the page/dialogue from VIZ:
http://i.imgur.com/OcaIQD4.jpg
"In just a few years, hundreds of planets were wiped out."
So again: Kaioshin canonically credits Boo with destroying "hundreds of planets" over the course of "a few years." Obviously this is a FAR cry from destroying 'entire galaxieS', lol.
Originally posted by Galan007
I think the word "galaxies" was NEVER once referenced in the canon manga dialogue. 🙂Even though I've provided 'Gogeta Toriyama' with the canon line(s) from the official Japanese and VIZ copies numerous times, he still clings to the non-canon dialogue from the scanlation/anime, lol.
Anyway, here is the official Japanese translation:
Chapter: 445 (DBZ 251), P13.3-5
Kaioshin: "Long ago, about when humanity on Earth had just begun to walk on 2 legs... In the depths of space, there was an extremely evil wizard called "Bibidi"... One day, by chance Bibidi happened to create a terrible monster... An extraordinarily terrifying majin called "Boo"... Majin Boo had neither reason nor emotions, and devoted himself to nothing but destruction and slaughter... A monster born only to inspire fear in living things... In just a few years, hundreds of planets were transformed into dead worlds..."And here is the page/dialogue from VIZ:
http://i.imgur.com/OcaIQD4.jpg
"In just a few years, hundreds of planets were wiped out."So again: Kaioshin canonically credits Boo with destroying "hundreds of planets" over the course of "a few years." Obviously this is a FAR cry from destroying 'entire galaxieS', lol.
Thank you for that, but i can promise you that it will just go over there heads and claims that Buu is a Galaxy buster. Mind you, i don't care if anyone in DBZ are Galaxy buster or higher. What i care about is when they outright lie just to make themselves look good, but unknowing to them they end up giving the reasonable fans of the series a bad name.
It's like me claiming Doomsday is a planet buster just because narration claims in a just the spans of a few years he goes planet to planet and annihilates all life on them.
Since you're one of the few fans of DBZ that doesn't exaggerate there feats, some claims in DBS Beerus is a Universe buster, since i haven't had the time to watch it, is it true?
you guy are funny. We said(well I know I did) that Beerus MIGHT be able to destroy the universe. Just as Galan has said. But they Kai's do seem pretty never that he is going to destroy everything at full power. (Which imo seems to be from the effects of the fight at hand). Nobody will know for sure until the next episode is out.
Originally posted by bbrem123
you guy are funny. We said(well I know I did) that Beerus MIGHT be able to destroy the universe. Just as Galan has said. But they Kai's do seem pretty never that he is going to destroy everything at full power. (Which imo seems to be from the effects of the fight at hand). Nobody will know for sure until the next episode is out.
The thing is, it's hard to take most of you guys serious when you claim something because most of you exaggerates certain feats and sometimes outright lie.
Originally posted by bbrem123There is a huge difference between someone using evidence-based/logical power-scaling as a means to prove why character A>character B, and someone who pulls entirely baseless feats/'logic' out of their ass just to wank their pet character.
Oh I can agree with that. I have seen it happen. They get these feats from multipliers and theorized power levels. Which I do not agree with at all.
I would imagine that SquallX is more irritated by the latter(as are we all.)
Originally posted by carver9
Don't think you understand what power levels means in DBZ. If someone is half of the strength of another character and the stronger one is going all out, it is a one shot. The only thing that contradicts this is if Goku was holding back, which he was since his goal was to fight Frieza at his Prime.Frieza tells us that surviving the spirit bomb depleted him of his power. Don't debate against me about this, you probably should write Akira.
I understand perfectly what power levels mean. Goku was holding back but nothing points to him holding back to the degree you are talking about. Also please provide the page where Frieza says he's depleted because all I remember is him saying he nearly died.
Frieza was between 50% and 70% when he fired that blast iirc. Again, him being "depleted" right after the bomb is not the same as being "depleted" later especially after fighting Goku for a little bit after coming back.
Originally posted by Galan007
I think the word "galaxies" was NEVER once referenced in the canon manga dialogue. 🙂Even though I've provided 'Gogeta Toriyama' with the canon line(s) from the official Japanese and VIZ copies numerous times, he still clings to the non-canon dialogue from the scanlation/anime, lol.
Anyway, here is the official Japanese translation:
Chapter: 445 (DBZ 251), P13.3-5
Kaioshin: "Long ago, about when humanity on Earth had just begun to walk on 2 legs... In the depths of space, there was an extremely evil wizard called "Bibidi"... One day, by chance Bibidi happened to create a terrible monster... An extraordinarily terrifying majin called "Boo"... Majin Boo had neither reason nor emotions, and devoted himself to nothing but destruction and slaughter... A monster born only to inspire fear in living things... In just a few years, hundreds of planets were transformed into dead worlds..."And here is the page/dialogue from VIZ:
http://i.imgur.com/OcaIQD4.jpg
"In just a few years, hundreds of planets were wiped out."So again: Kaioshin canonically credits Boo with destroying "hundreds of planets" over the course of "a few years." Obviously this is a FAR cry from destroying 'entire galaxieS', lol.
That's just sad man
Originally posted by Galan007Yea I can understand logical power scaling, but it seems that feats are going to start to make power scaling seem inaccurate. I just do think power scaling/multipliers should be the end all proof of somebodies power.
There is a huge difference between someone using evidence-based/logical power-scaling as a means to prove why character A>character B, and someone who pulls entirely baseless feats/'logic' out of their ass just to wank their pet character.I would imagine that SquallX is more irritated by the latter(as are we all.)
But yes you are right 👆
Power-scaling is what we use in DB the majority of the time, whether you people want to accept it or not.
For example: Goku has never destroyed a moon. Master Roshi has. That said, if we only relied on collateral damage-causing feats, then Roshi would be >>>>> SSJ3 Goku... But thanks to logical power-scaling, we know this is obviously not true.
It really is that easy to understand. 🙂
