Originally posted by ArtificialGloryit's a combination of the two... i don't feel the compulsion to call any random woman a b*tch.... but her being a woman makes that feel like the appropriate insult
Red g, if you want to call Hillary a b*tch, then you don't need to justify yourself to anybody, Bardock least of all. But please think carefully whether your desire to call her a b*tch comes from the fact that she's a woman or the fact you genuinely don't like her as a person.
honestly i think perhaps i am a misogynist
i dunno i read bardock's history thing and while i agree with women being able to vote... it still doesn't make me feel bad enough to not say b*tch
perhaps i'm just not as nice as you
really you feminists haven't succeeded in making the word as taboo as you'd like... normal people still use it on a daily basis. and that's what i'm comfortable with and used to... so until it becomes seriously socially unacceptable, i'm not going to opt to adhere to the feminist standard
it is what it is, i'll concede that it's misogynist. but i don't feel like stopping
maybe that's not the conclusion anyone would hope for. sort of like i will concede that supporting factory farming with my patronage of their meat is probably wrong and contributing to suffering... but i like eating the meat more than doing the 'right' thing.
i will say... to backtrack on the prick vs ***** argument... let's say i'm willing to concede one is easily worse than the other. that still doesn't justify either one. just like saying n*gger is worse than cracker... it is. that doesn't justify using cracker though. so ignoring the use of one while condemning the other is still a hypocritical double standard and basically ideologically inconsistent to me.
not that i am saying i want both to be unacceptable... that would be even worse to me. i rose that comparison because i suspect most people aren't willing to take the stance that both are unacceptable.
To me the conclusion you draw is at the thresholds that makes one go from saying something misogynist to being a misogynist. Knowing and understanding that something is misogynist, that it is harmful, and then consciously choosing to do it is much worse, imo, than acting out of ignorance. I mean, do what you want, but then complaining about being called a misogynist seems silly, and a bit pathetic.
Regarding the "prick" comparison, like I said, I try to avoid male gendered insults as well, but for the many reasons stated in this thread, it doesn't actually cause the greater harm that the word b*tch has caused and continues to cause, which is why I don't view condemnation of the latter, but use of the former as hypocritical.
Glad you agree with women getting to vote though....guess we got that common ground to go on...
Originally posted by Bardock42no, i'm not complaining about it. at first i disagreed cause my idea of misogynist was someone who hates women. and i don't hate women.
To me the conclusion you draw is at the thresholds that makes one go from saying something misogynist to being a misogynist. Knowing and understanding that something is misogynist, that it is harmful, and then consciously choosing to do it is much worse, imo, than acting out of ignorance. I mean, do what you want, but then complaining about being called a misogynist seems silly, and a bit pathetic.
but i am willing to concede the misogyny point and just be considered a misogynist in order to get to speak how i am used to speaking.
maybe if the feminist campaign really works and you guys turn it into a serious taboo... it will become so socially unacceptable that saying it won't seem worth it to me
but as it stands that isn't the case... so yea
Regarding the "prick" comparison, like I said, I try to avoid male gendered insults as well, but for the many reasons stated in this thread, it doesn't actually cause the greater harm that the word b*tch has caused and continues to cause, which is why I don't view condemnation of the latter, but use of the former as hypocritical.you're talking about severity though... the concept is pretty similar, regarding the casual use of these terms and not whatever historical version there was... i could use the same logic to justify the use of b*tch because in comparison to n*gger, it's history is pretty tame
like i said, n*gger is worse than cracker. that isn't a justification of cracker. not even in the slightest. so the same should apply to prick... so long as we are assuming that gendered insults are inappropriate or perhaps even nefariously subversive
but like i said, a world where all of these terms are over the line is a annoyingly linguistically sterilized dystopian 1984 esque hellhole, if i might exaggerate slightly
Glad you agree with women getting to vote though....guess we got that common ground to go on...well if it were up to me no one would get to vote. but you know the saying, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Originally posted by red g jacks
that's fair enough... they can feel free to judge mejust understand that sword cuts both ways
i.e. it's well within your rights to be easily offended... but i might think less of you for it
Of course it does, you already cut the person who gets offended by saying something inherently offensive to them.
You say something offsensive, someone gets offended, you get offended for them being offended. What a vicious circle.
Originally posted by jaden101
So where does honky come from?
the word originated from the practice of white males wishing to hire African-American prostitutes in the 1920's, and going to the appropriate part of town while honking their car horns to attract the whores. Some versions state that the reason for this was that the white men were too afraid to actually stop in those neighborhoods, so the honking would bring the hookers to them. Others say that since few African-Americans could afford cars back in that time, the honking signaled a higher-paying white client and would quickly gain the prostitutes attention.
Originally posted by red g jacksbut using pussy to describe cowardice doesn't strike you as sexist?
i think it is.. but i don't think it necessarily means women are inherently less than men... but they are generally weaker and less masculine
as such, the word pussy when used to describe a man seeks to emasculate him.. which is a sexist attack but not necessarily hateful towards women... any more than calling a woman butch is hateful towards men
I agree with you in that Pussy is a sexist term to use as an insult. It's telling when the most hurtful things you can say to a man are words like pussy, homo, fa***t, butthurt - all things used to call them girly or otherwise.
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Originally posted by NemeBro
The modern academic idea that gender is a social construct dates from the work of John Money in the fifties, actually. The idea actually gained traction in like the seventies due to feminists (oh shit sorry didn't mean to make you shit your pants there, I know that word triggers you).
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Originally posted by StyleTime
That's a tricky little issue. In a strictly literal sense, abnormal doesn't have to have a negative connotation true. Unfortunately, the term is usually thrown about with negative implications..
Positive abnormality: Being Ambidextrous is a good example
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Originally posted by long pig
The saddest and most hilarious thing is watching gays/minorities/women etc fight over who is the biggest victim. They never argue about why they allowed themselves to become victims in the first place, though.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, why didn't they just choose to have all the advantages society extends to straight, white men...
Originally posted by Quincy
I agree with you in that Pussy is a sexist term to use as an insult. It's telling when the most hurtful things you can say to a man are words like pussy, homo, fa***t, butthurt - all things used to call them girly or otherwise.--------
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Positive abnormality: Being Ambidextrous is a good example
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Originally posted by Bardock42
Normal is not the same as most common. It has a value judgment, as in, this fits to the norm. People with black hair aren't called normal opposed to those that have other hair colors, the same goes for eye color, race, gender, sexual orientation, nationality, political affiliation, etc.So, no, Trans people are also normal, they just aren't a majority.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/normal
I think I disagree with you.
I know you're trying to be politically correct but being transgendered is not normal psychologically or socially. Gender Identity Disorder is a real. It is a challenging and very difficult disorder to deal with even if one obtains gender reassignment surgery. There are also many issues(self-harm and suicide) that come with GIS.
Again, sometimes, it is possible to be too politically correct. By being too politically correct, you kind of throw the baby out of with bathwater.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_throw_the_baby_out_with_the_bathwater
Any discussions about GIS need to start with, first and foremost, recognizing this is a very challenging issue that a very small minority of the population has to face. You and I have it easy because we are quite comfortable with our gender identity.
Well, I think you will largely agree with me.
Originally posted by Sancty
He's correct. Informed consent is a big deal. There are multiple degrees of rape and some identify his described version of rape as 4th degree rape. Having sex with a long term partner, who you thought was monogamous with you but wasn't, is also the same kind of "rape" he describes. The idea is that person A would not have sex with person B had they been aware of very important sexual pieces of information. This kind of rape is sometimes legally recgonized and is criminal if STDs are given. The extreme example being HIV (and murder charges being brought up).
Though the rape wall that must be climbed to pass off not informing your partner that you are a transsexual seems to be a difficult one to climb.
TL - DR : Deceiving someone into sex can be considered a form of rape by some people. In the spirit of Political Correctness, don't deceive people into sex because it is considered rape by some people and dishonest by everyone else.