Vandar Tokare vs. Kanan Jarrus

Ah, I misread it.

Do you have a video link so I don't have to find this myself?

Originally posted by ares834
Quite simply, none of that indicates Vandar is Lucein's equal in battle. Wiser sure, but more powerful... Eh.

I also find it curious that you use Lucien as the benchmark for KotOR Jedi Masters rather than any of the other members in the Taris Enclave.

I never said it did but the obvious portrayal of him being the Order's leader implies he is the top amongst them all.

Eh, he's a good enough indication.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Ah, I misread it.

Do you have a video link so I don't have to find this myself?

I don't have a link but I am 99% sure that she says it on the way to Dantooine.

Alright. I'll find it later.

And Vandar's confirmed to be above Vrook, Kavar and Zez-Kai Ell in power.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Eh, he's a good enough indication.

I just have no clue how you are assuming that he can serve as the benchmark. Frankly, Lucien seems to be high tier considering how badly he humiliated other Jedi in practice duels.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Alright. I'll find it later.

And Vandar's confirmed to be above Vrook, Kavar and Zez-Kai Ell in power.

The exact quote:

"Even the Sith would think twice before attacking Dantooine. There are many Jedi here, including several of the most powerful Masters of the Order. There is great strength within this place." - Bastila

Originally posted by ares834
I just have no clue how you are assuming that he can serve as the benchmark. Frankly, Lucien seems to be high tier considering how badly he humiliated other Jedi in practice duels.

I mean that he serves as great indication for the likes of Vandar and Atris.

Originally posted by AncientPower
The exact quote:

"Even the Sith would think twice before attacking Dantooine. There are many Jedi here, including several of the most powerful Masters of the Order. There is great strength within this place." - Bastila

Thanks.

Vandar should take it.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Alright. I'll find it later.

And Vandar's confirmed to be above Vrook, Kavar and Zez-Kai Ell in power.

Wait when is this stated?

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Wait when is this stated?

It's stated that only the most powerful Jedi went to Katarr, including Vandar.

Then again, logically, that's pretty stupid, since I doubt those no-namers who went to Katarr were above the likes of Vrook, who is already confirmed as one of the most powerful Jedi of his time.

Still, just based on portrayals in KotOR alone, Vandar seems to be at least equal to Vrook in raw power. Also, I believe he's the highest opponent in the training arena mod? I know it's not canon, but it's probably somewhat indicative of combat skill.

Either way, Vandar probably wins via telekinetic domination or Severing Kanan's connection to the Force. And if it came to a duel, I'd still support Vandar, probably with ease.

Bump

Vandar is in the top 5 Jedi of his time honestly, and if one of the bove claims is true (Vandar being GM of the order) that would indicate that he's incredibly powerful. I would back Vandar.

Vandar wins. He's more powerful than the likes of Vrook, who would easily manhandle Kanan with the Force.

Kanan easily.

EU Jedi Masters are noted for knowing/being more powerful than few Jedi Knights can even dream of comprehending. That, plus Vandar's accolades of being one of the greatest Jedi of the era, extreme versatility, other hype and implied power, etc. should all put him above diet-Rahm Kota.

Cool. Give me one of his accomplishments that rival Kanan's.

Diet-Rahm Kota lmfao

But yeah, Vandar's canonically more powerful than Vrook, who's hurled DS Exile + 2 DS companions (potentially the Force sensitive ones, who are each more powerful than Kanan if they've absorbed Freedon Nadd's power). Vandar pretty much curbs with the Force.

Quote for Vandar being more powerful then Vrook.

Also DS exile? Meaning Darkside Exile and thus a non canon scene?

Also what feats have the force sensitive companions accomplished that puts them on level with Kanan?

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Quote for Vandar being more powerful then Vrook.

Here:

Darth Nihilus began his Jedi purge by obliterating the planet of Katarr, where a secret conclave of the most powerful Jedi were taking place.

-- The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Vandar went, Vrook didn't. Ergo, Vandar fits the bill as the most powerful Jedi, and Vrook apparently doesn't.

That, and the fact that Vandar's essentially analogous to Yoda for the KotOR era and is a stated leader of the Council. Not that either inherently mean he's more powerful than the others, but based on holistic portrayal, that's easily inferred.

Also DS exile? Meaning Darkside Exile and thus a non canon scene?

Non-canon in that it doesn't happen in the official timeline, not that it's outside of Vrook's powers. In fact, the only difference in DS in terms of power is that the Exile and whoever her two companions are (assuming they're Force-sensitive and not Kreia) get stronger.

And if we're using Canon, Vrook places the Exile in Stasis during her second visit to Dantooine, even if she tries to resist.

Also what feats have the force sensitive companions accomplished that puts them on level with Kanan?

Well, Visas incapacitates the Exile's entire crew with the Force before she fights the Exile, and she would've only grown exponentially since joining the Exile. There's also her fighting through armies of Dark Jedi/Sith on Dxun with two other companions, before striking down 3 Sith Lords and absorbing the power of Freedon Nadd which had been extracted by a ritual (the ritual was so powerful that breaking it instantly killed a fourth Sith Lord).

And that's just one of them. Provided that there's another of roughly the same power level, and then the Exile herself, Vrook hurling them all into a wall with enough force to stun them long enough for him to escape is pretty good.