Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
/ignores Vader, /ignores Sidious not blitzing people who are actually at his level in power, (aka Talzin, her best speed feat is saber-locking Windu, who normally operates at Maul-tier speed, who in turn Sidious can supposedly lolblitz.)
Oh yeh, try speed blitz someone who can dissipate at will. That's a solid idea, wonder why Sheev never thought of that.
I like that you're dismissing every other speed blitz in the mythos as if no one else has ever tried 😂
Originally posted by Selenial
Oh yeh, try speed blitz someone who can dissipate at will. That's a solid idea, wonder why Sheev never thought of that.I like that you're dismissing every other speed blitz in the mythos as if no one else has ever tried 😂
Can't think to dissipate when he can move faster than you can react. And I completely understand your refutement on the point of Vader 👆
Such as? The majority of them are either against utter fodder or non force users, and even those are inconsistent.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Can't think to dissipate when he can move faster than you can react. And I completely understand your refutement on the point of Vader 👆Such as? The majority of them are either against utter fodder or non force users, and even those are inconsistent.
So you want Sidious to engage his lightsaber and dart across the cave, slicing Talzin down before she can react... Or nothing? Is your definition of speedblitz literally "before they can react/move"?
Repeat the point about Vader tbh, cba to re-read your post mmm
So Krayt blitzing 4 master level Imperial Knights all trained to fight in perfect unison? Which does that fall under?
Originally posted by Selenial
So you want Sidious to engage his lightsaber and dart across the cave, slicing Talzin down before she can react... Or nothing? Is your definition of speedblitz literally "before they can react/move"?Repeat the point about Vader tbh, cba to re-read your post mmm
So Krayt blitzing 4 master level Imperial Knights all trained to fight in perfect unison? Which does that fall under?
Why not? Any other definition in the context of this thread would be pointless, as if it's not before Valkorion can react, it'll be too late.
Vader moved faster than Roan Shryne's eyes could perceive, and faster than anyone other than Yoda. Despite this, Shryne fought just fine against Vader, as well as many other "speed-featless" force users.
Kek they have no speed feats, they're useless fodder.
Originally posted by SunRazer
It depends on how far, as I said. If it's close range, Plagueis' combination of brutal lightsaber attacks and Force powers could net him a win. If it's far away enough, Plagueis is limited to using the Force, which he won't be able to beat Vitiate with.
Where I differ with your approach Razer is that I see Plagueis's speed advantage as sufficient for him to close the gap and grant his the majority in all-out.
@ Sinious
Originally posted by Sinious
Sorry I was too busy kicking Stigma's ass.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
@Stigma, I sacrificed the blood of approximately 29 SWTORians to post this:
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
[B]Plagueis Blitzes Kek [/B]
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
[B]Plagueis is more combat-ready than ValkorionThis is a blast from the past indeed. This notion has pretty much been put to rest as soon as SWTOR, and specifically SOR, came out. Vitiate whilst possessing Master Surro was directly fighting on the battlefield, casually stomping Lana Beniko and combating one of the most powerful warriors in the Galaxy, aka a protag and his or her trusty companion. Even in vanilla SWTOR Vitiate possessed Kira Carsen and fought head-to-head with the Hero of Tython, his first action to run at the Hero with his Lightsaber. He's obviously understanding of the ways of a fighter/warrior. It's not much different than Talzin, tbh. She's evidently fairly competent in her use of the lightsaber and combat, but is infinitely more at home utilizing her immense force powers to annihilate her foes. Speaking of which... [/B]
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
[B]Plagueis can tank Valky's powers and saber him to deathThis is the dude who can easily annihilate four of the most powerful jedi in the Galaxy, while not trying to kill them, while also diverting significant efforts to hold back Vaylin's powers, and destroy their lightsabers in the process.
Plagueis hasn't a notable lightning or tutaminis feat to speak of. [/B]
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
This is the dude who was considered by the Wrath to be infinitely more powerful than the dread masters, (who could destroy whole fleets with their fear power,) was universally believed to be far too powerful for Revan or the Coalition to handle, considered to be too powerful for the jedi or the sith to stop, etc.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
This is the dude who, as a disembodied spirit, telepathically subjugated the population of Ziost, then afterward telepathically subjugated the additional jedi and republic soldiers sent by the Republic.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
This is the dude who, despite not being at his full power, utterly annihilated the planet of Ziost, then proceeded to consume that additional power into himself.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
As Emperor Valkorion, he's no longer diverting his power to hold back Vaylin, so he'll only be even more powerful. Plagueis hasn't shown anything close to these levels of power, (that he can access without an intense ritual and with Sidious's help.)
The key is how you can put power into use (e.g,. Kyp Durron), and Plagues has better combo of power/strength/speed and mastery than Valkorion.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
[B]Throwing The Bone of LogicOn the whole, one could seriously argue that Nyriss's lightning and Braga's tutaminis is more powerful than Plagueis's, if we go by a feats-only paradigm.
Not at all. Nyriss’s FL was amped by DS nexus. Plus, she never overcame with it anyone even comparable to Plagueis’s tier.[QUOTE=15396744]Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
When we include logic and reason, however, with Plagueis being implied as pre-DLOTS amp Sidious's equal, we can conclude he's an immensely powerful sith lord, with top tier lightning, TK, and power on the whole. That said, this also applies for Valkorion.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Valkorion is considered to be, as aforementioned, infinitely more powerful than the fleet-subduing Dread Masters, far more powerful than Revan or anyone else in the Galaxy, and powerful enough that neither the efforts of the Sith nor the Jedi would be enough to stop him from consuming the Galaxy.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Plagueis is absolutely one of the top-tier force users, but I sincerely doubt he'd last against Valkorion's powers, much less overcome them to the point where he can lolrun up to him and stab him to death. There's a reason Sidious chose not to loltank Talzin's force attacks and instead chose to battle with the force, despite being just as if not more powerful.
This is an interesting parallel you introduced.
You’d surely agree that if the Force fight between Talzin and Sidiosu would last too long, Palpatine could always overcome her in a duel?
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
When someone is just as powerful as another force user, but far more skilled, it'd still require all their strength to overcome those powers.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
And Valkorion is very noticeably more powerful than Plagueis, feats and hype considered.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Are you implying Sinious prematurely ejaculates?
Meh,. I somehow cannot edit my previous post, so I'll repost a part of it here:
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
[B]Throwing The Bone of LogicOn the whole, one could seriously argue that Nyriss's lightning and Braga's tutaminis is more powerful than Plagueis's, if we go by a feats-only paradigm. [/B]
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
When we include logic and reason, however, with Plagueis being implied as pre-DLOTS amp Sidious's equal, we can conclude he's an immensely powerful sith lord, with top tier lightning, TK, and power on the whole. That said, this also applies for Valkorion.