Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Freshest, you are being so stupid I'm actually disgusted I ever liked you or thought you remotely resembled a debater even comparable to YouTube fodder.I'm tempted to respond to your posts but I bet even Revanchiste could probably formulate a response to that bullshit. Neph can handle this, kek.
Not even sure how this is a debate. We established Revan would win on the first page. This has been back and forth bitching over how badly Anakin would lose, which is poor sport anyway.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Stigma, for this battle, are we counting Anakin's ROTS novel feats or nah?
This is not for Stigma to decide. If it condradicts the movie, it is not canon. The entirety of the fight depicted in the novel contradicts the movie, therefore it is not canon.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Anakin not being able to approach Revan in the Force is laughable.
How so?
He can't even overpower Obi-Wan Kenobi in the Force. He usually gets overpowered when having to face Count Dooku. In his regular state, Anakin doesn't have anything on Kenobi. And pretty much all of his really "good" showings are happening, when he uses the Dark Side. This is true for everything pre-RotS and for his defeat of Dooku as well. His strong connection to the Force only helps him so far and while it generates impressive results at times (e.g. his drop from the speeder in AotC), it doesn't really help him that much in terms of combat.
And I can just point once more to the fact, that Republic and Empire work together and assemble their greatest heroes in order to get rid of Revan. So as far as the ToR storyline is concerned, Revan, in his final confrontation, takes on a group consisting of:
[list]
[*]Satele Shan
[*]Darth Marr
[*]Lana Beniko
[*]Theron Shan
[*]Jakarro
[*]The Flame
[*]Darth Nox
[*]The Wrath
[*]The Hero of Tython
[*]The Barsen'thor
[*]The Champion of the Great Hunt
[*]The Voidhound
[*]Cypher Nine
[*]Meteor
[/list]
Even if you want to point out that the (rather skilled) non-force users on that list wouldn't make much of a difference, you're still left with six of the most powerful Force users present in the ToR era (Shan, Marr, the four player characters) and Lana as additional support. That Revan even managed to put up a fight against that much assembled power is pretty impressive. And no matter how utterly ridiculous I think that is (because, really, even Revan should go down pretty much instantly, when that kind of power enters the arena), it is apparently what we need to go with.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Right. Scourge's near featless TK along with Marr and Lana's completely featless TK, along with the the trademark "powerful" which is definitely a measure of something that can be debated. Random Sith and Jedi in 3640 BBY everywhere can do it. Anyone from after a certain point can't. Classic Neph. I'm sure Scourge would be a bit closer if he was born a bit earlier though. There's just absolutely no way he can even pretend to move these people. They are just that quantifiably good. Don't really care about why you're being asinine, and I already know why anyway. The PT crowd does the exact same thing when anyone doesn't agree with them. It's beyond petty.
I meant to write Savage. My brain was still on that other thread.
Anakin was clearly hindered against Obi-Wan, lol. RoDV states that he was "between worlds" at the time and another source states he couldn't even sense his Master's presence (we know they're both exceptional at Sense and Master-Apprentice pairs develop Force Bonds).
Anakin wasn't using the Dark Side when he manipulated that Dreadnought in the comics, either.
Whatever Anakin's level at the time, I'm not convinced him and Kenobi pushing each other makes their Tk equal. Are Luminara and Ventress also equal in Tk because they force pushed each other? Do we even have an example of 2 combatants force pushing each other at the same time where one clearly over powers the other?
Fact is though Dooku can Easily Tk Own Kenobi, whilst he's never shown he can do that to Anakin
Was it even stated that the contradictory excerpts in novel are non-canon in Legends? Seeing as Lucas actually approved of those contradictions in approving/editing the novel. Surely if he didn't want those contradictions, he wouldn't have approved of them/he would have edited them out.
And that kind of renders most of the comic versions non-canon, lol. Also, Legends doesn't operate under a canon hierarchy since it's all non-canon, so everything in Legends is of the same value.
Originally posted by Sinious
Im not saying I agree with Nai on his argument about the book but a Legends material and a Legends material that contradicts with a higher source are not the same thing.
FYI, Dave said the spirits of Revan and Bane were pulled from TCW because George declared that Sith could not exist in spirit form.