Vegito Vs Whis

Gogeta on his monthly period?

That said Whis Stomps you pussy.

Originally posted by Galan007
Toriyama also stated in an interview that his intent in BoG was for most of the notable Z Fighters to be operating at their peaks:

So yeah, it is perfectly logical to assume Mystic Gohan was still at his Boo-era-levels when Beerus stomped him. 👆

So far it doesn't look good though. Gogeta is going to have to make up some hard official words to overrule this one.

After 'Gogeta Toriyama' gives his 2cents, Beerus and Whis might not even be officially recognized characters anymore.

...Let that soak in, plebs. 👆

60,000,000,000 -ssj3 Gokou (Not even close but just assuming he had become as strong as Freeza in Base which is stronger than he actual is)

600,000,000,000 -10% Bills (Assuming Bills only used 1% of his power against ssj3 Gokou)

54,000,000,000,000- 100% Bills

7,500,000,000,000 -Base Vegetto (Going on the fact Gokou was the same in Base as he was in Freeza saga. Vegeta would have been the same level as they were even in ssj and ssj2. And Potara is multiplication of the powers not adding)

375,000,000,000,000 -SSJ Vegetto
750,000,000,000,000 -SSJ2
3,000,000,000,000,000 -SSJ3

2,700,000,000,000,000 - Whis

So, putting Gokou at his strongest possible at base Whis is slightly less than what a mythical ssj3 Vegetto would be using Gokou and Vegeta at the weakest possible level. Meanwhile in the same thing ssj Vegetto is above Bills.

But we also know that power level numbers don't really matter anymore. SO while on paper Vegetto should be stronger, Akira wants Bills and Whis to be the strongest so they would be.

Gogeta is a anime troll who thinks he wrote DBZ.

Shouldn't Freeza pissing his pants as well as Shenron at the sight of Beerus be enough to end this stupid debate?

Then we have Whis who can one shot Beerus..

Power levels still does matter.

Originally posted by Kento
60,000,000,000 -ssj3 Gokou (Not even close but just assuming he had become as strong as Freeza in Base which is stronger than he actual is)

600,000,000,000 -10% Bills (Assuming Bills only used 1% of his power against ssj3 Gokou)

54,000,000,000,000- 100% Bills

7,500,000,000,000 -Base Vegetto (Going on the fact Gokou was the same in Base as he was in Freeza saga. Vegeta would have been the same level as they were even in ssj and ssj2. And Potara is multiplication of the powers not adding)

375,000,000,000,000 -SSJ Vegetto
750,000,000,000,000 -SSJ2
3,000,000,000,000,000 -SSJ3

2,700,000,000,000,000 - Whis

So, putting Gokou at his strongest possible at base Whis is slightly less than what a mythical ssj3 Vegetto would be using Gokou and Vegeta at the weakest possible level. Meanwhile in the same thing ssj Vegetto is above Bills.

But we also know that power level numbers don't really matter anymore. SO while on paper Vegetto should be stronger, Akira wants Bills and Whis to be the strongest so they would be.

Best post in this thread.

Originally posted by carver9
Power levels still does matter.

Obviously Goku's power doesn't cap at 3 million at base. As Super Saiyan Goku got stronger as his Super Saiyans surpassed androids in just a year. But in 12 years, it doesn't increase as much as one would expect when you look at the rapid increase from Radditz to Freeza. Gokou's base is only somewhere from 2x to 49x stronger from his fight on Namek.

Originally posted by Galan007
Toriyama also stated in an interview that his intent in BoG was for most of the notable Z Fighters to be operating at their peaks:

He did say "most". Gohan falls in the other category 😛

Originally posted by Kento
They matter, but the numbers don't. After Freeza's 120 million and SSJ Goku's 150 million they aren't ever stated again. All we found of from DBS is that Goku hasn't reached 120 million as his base level, so in 10-13 years he's not 50x stronger at Base. Which is crazy... Because that means Perfect Cell isn't that much stronger than Freeza, and Kid Buu isn't that much stronger than Cell.

Obviously Goku's power doesn't cap at 3 million at base. As Super Saiyan Goku got stronger as his Super Saiyans surpassed androids in just a year. But in 12 years, it doesn't increase as much as one would expect when you look at the rapid increase from Radditz to Freeza. Gokou's base is only somewhere from 2x to 49x stronger from his fight on Namek.

Beerus was estimating that by Goku base NONE powered up form. Goku can power up in his base form which was something that Beerus did not see when assuming Goku power level. Can Beerus even read power levels?

God I hate power levels.

Whis wins in every case by the by.

Agreed, Gogeta is a troll

Originally posted by carver9
Beerus was estimating that by Goku base NONE powered up form. Goku can power up in his base form which was something that Beerus did not see when assuming Goku power level. Can Beerus even read power levels?

Also, every other god seems to be able to read power levels. And Bills knows how much he needs to power up to stay even with Goku when he's ssjg mode.

You guys are aware that DBS lacks all consistency right?

So basically nothing makes sense, and there is no solid framework to base anything on.

There is no single theory that can withstand logical scrutiny.

Those who can't accept this must also defend the position that AT has thought out and considered everything carefully from DBZ to the new movies to DBS to ensure consistency and continuity, and we all know that is not true.

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One example I was recently thinking of is SSJ2 Vegeta getting over 4x boost from rage? Does anyone even buy this?

I don't think there has ever been even anything close to a 2X boost.

When Goku raged, he turned SSJ.
When Gohan raged, he turned SSJ2.
When Vegeta raged against SPC who killed his son, he got <<<2x Boost.

When SSJ2 DBS Vegeta raged, he stayed SSJ2 and got >4x Boost. Heck you could even argue it was a 8x boost.

Sufficient amounts of rage can yield 1000 times the normal amount of power.

Eat those numbers you bastards. Straight from the manga itself.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Sufficient amounts of rage can yield 1000 times the normal amount of power.

Eat those numbers you bastards. Straight from the manga itself.

I only watch the anime, so I guess that doesn't apply to most people.

But when has that been demonstrated?

I guess Vegeta just wasn't angry enough. Otherwise he could beat Beerus, Whis, SSG Goku together and any other character you can think of in his base form if only he was real mad.

At some point I figure Vegeta's mortal body wouldn't be able to handle the sudden power you're alluding to and would destroy itself ala Dorsk-81.

Anyway, yeah... The boost he got was ridiculous. Keep in mind that in DBS, SSJ3 Goku seems like he might be stronger than Gohan and Gotenks.

Yea the boost Vegeta had was massive. No real way to tell how much it was though...

Originally posted by Placidity
You guys are aware that DBS lacks all consistency right?

So basically nothing makes sense, and there is no solid framework to base anything on.

There is no single theory that can withstand logical scrutiny.

Those who can't accept this must also defend the position that AT has thought out and considered everything carefully from DBZ to the new movies to DBS to ensure consistency and continuity, and we all know that is not true.

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One example I was recently thinking of is SSJ2 Vegeta getting over 4x boost from rage? Does anyone even buy this?

I don't think there has ever been even anything close to a 2X boost.

When Goku raged, he turned SSJ.
When Gohan raged, he turned SSJ2.
When Vegeta raged against SPC who killed his son, he got <<<2x Boost.

When SSJ2 DBS Vegeta raged, he stayed SSJ2 and got >4x Boost. Heck you could even argue it was a 8x boost.