That's probably the worst feat on there, I admit. I included it for a reason though: to satisfy my OCD. If I'm not including that feat, then I can't include other shitty feats, and then I have to skin my respect thread, which I'm not doing. Then I need to debate myself what is considered a "low-quality feats," and if simply knowledge on powers would fall under that umbrella. There's also low-tier feats that prove useful in debaters when arguing a specific point. I understand the irrelevance of the feat, but to my OCD mind it is essential to the thread, and you can simply scroll pass it if it doesn't mean anything to you, so no harm done. 😬
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
These are the type of telekinetic attacks Revan is going to unleash in battle against Dooku:Notice how Revan's releasing blasts that apply to all of the members involved. If he would do, say, a concentrated attack solely on one opponent (i.e. Dooku), do you think Dooku would resist / tank such an assault while the team couldn't?[/B]
Revan's intent here was killing his opponents. Now, if Revan is as smart and tactical as you claim, then there should have been some casualties. Dividing his power among such powerful beings, thus weakening the effects to such an extent that the attack in question was resisted by non force users. And he did this stunt all over again? I would imagine that with an attack of such potency, he would have rid himself of members; perhaps weak links or the most threatening ones. Should I question Revan's combat technique or the attack? Or the entire gameplay mechanics? What I won't do, is accept the notion that the attack is going to take Dooku out when every single member of the strike team survived it, including the non force user, concentrated or not. If this were the other way around, would you accept that as being a valid argument against Revan?
This level of raw attacks Dooku has matched via TK or lightning.
Dooku was drugged and blind here. The drug also effected Dooku's force senses. Yet he dominated Ventress and two nightsisters with a lightning attack that lasted seconds before hurling them a great distance out of his window. Dooku was no doubt aiming to kill, but with the drug effecting him more and more, causing him to stumble as the fight went on, his main concern was survival and getting rid of them as soon as he could. Dooku ragdolled them to a greater extent then Revan did the strike team, and that's even if you want to take what happens in game play mechanics as the full truth.
Here, he force waves Anakin and Kenobi, both of whom visibly defend against, yet were still floored, with the push also momentarily rendering the armored pikes in back of them unconscious despite the push being diminished by the combined power of Kenobi and Skywalker, both of whom either rival or exceed anyone on Revan's strike team. And I'll get to the feats of Dooku's opponents as well, just to prove my stance.
TBH, EU Dooku has always been depicted as being so powerful that no single jedi could challenge him except Yoda/Windu/Anakin, of course. I mean, just look how he treats them (most of the time no jedi will challenge him by themselves).
Dooku vs Bulq and Tholme was basically a light clash in sabers, then Dooku blasted Bulq unconscious and berried Tholme alive, leaving him for dead and taking Bulq alive.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I dismissed the notion that pure lightsaber skill should be compared because it has absolutely no relevance. Revan's absolutely going to use the Force with his lightsaber, hence why he is such a dominating combatant. Hence why comparing a direct lightsaber to lightsaber comparison on the character is stupid. Instead, reference simply "combat abilities" in general, for it's going to prove better at comparisons. That being said, I'll play your game.[/B]
lmao, that's why you're going to fail miserably. I'm playing no games, and what you're doing is certainly not what I'm doing. You have yet to prove Revan is that far above Dooku that a saber would be irrelevant. It's like, "duh this is what this discussion is about."
You sound like LeGenD when he makes a case for Vitiate. "too dominating; not need sabers; too powerful"
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
My argument would be that his praise from his former master, Kreia, as having mastered all forms of combat to where he no longer needed the Jedi Order should be enough for a sufficient technical defense against Dooku's mastery at Makashi.[/B]
I know you and apparently Freshest have a hard time with either accepting this or grasping it, but Kreia doesn't know Dooku, so accolades from her or other in-universe statements don't apply to people who don't exist, and guess what? Dooku didn't exist in Revan's time. Not to mention that Dooku isn't limited to Makashi, which just so happens to be the best form for saber to saber dueling, so no nothing about any of this is sufficient in handling Dooku, who was right below Yoda in terms of saber prowess in the jedi order.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
His vast superiority in the Force (see above), and his overall raw power (being greater than Darth Nihilus), will allow him to augment his attributes (speed, strength, accuracy, etc.) to where it's greater than the Count, giving him an edge. We saw firsthand in the Revan novel he could casually augment his accuracy to perfection, and in Shadow of Revan he's moving fast enough to keep up with eight-man strike teams of the galaxy's greatest warriors in the Temple of Sacrifice and the Forgotten Terrace. His battle precognition will also be pretty ****ing useful in a battle like this.
I don't think you want to get started on battle precognition. Dooku was able to best Ventress + two nightsisters with precognition alone. Ventress has bested Kit who can blitz Grievous's personal body guards which are equiped with ridiculous reaction speed, so that also speaks volumes of not only Dooku's precognition but his ability and speed to react to it while blind. There's no contest there, Ant. lol
You've proven that Revan can defeat a team of force users, and somewhere during one duel, he gained an opening to use "force destruction" which was a power that he was unable to kill them with instantly, as they were resisting, hence the statement of them slowly dying.
Well I've also proven Dooku too can take on a team of force users with individuals who have better combat feats. Well here are some:
Ventress
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Ventress herself has taken on a group of jedi, has matched/bested some of the best council members, and on some occasions she's taken on more than one, fighting them off using her skills and force powers.
Obi Wan
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"Using the Force, Obi-Wan created a wave behind them. He reached out to every molecule of water, calling on the Force to bind them into a giant, cresting black wave." -The Desperate Mission
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Vos
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Now even if Revan is the more powerful force user, it's not to the extent that sabers won't matter. It will. Revan has beaten a larger group; however, it did take him more time, and likely more effort, with the dominating attack used being stated as a slow process. Dooku's opponents have better feats and comparable accolades, unless proven otherwise, and he has utterly wrecked the likes of Vos (EU), Kenobi and Ventress, even when some of them had help on occasions. But the ease in which he's dominated these individuals along some of these individual's partners, no I'm not accepting the notion that Revan is considerably above Dooku based on what the majority thinks. Even if many on my side agree with Revan's alleged superiority, I don't, and I believe I backed my stance pretty thoroughly.
Furthermore, Revan's command of the force was stated to be greater than anyone she's come across. Command only means the ease in which one can control/summon what power he has access to, which can be a little or a lot. Doesn't mean Revan's more powerful than Nihilus.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Teleport will allow him to escape situations that may otherwise prove lethal.[/B]
If he escapes, he loses. Talzin is perhaps the greatest master of teleportation in the mythos. What edge did it give her against Sidious, and why did she fear facing him off of Dathomir? She didn't even go get her son.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Revan uses the force during duels[/B]
Girl, wake up. Revan's a damn force user. How would using the force be an unpredictable element to one of the most powerful force users in history, one who happens to incorporate force attacks in his own duels, provided he's not toying around, and one who happens to be one of the mythos best multistaskers. I'm more impressed with Maul torturing Kenobi with TK while simultaneously fighting off another jedi, but I wouldn't use that as evidence that he can beat Dooku. I may use it as a comparable showing to some of Dooku's, nothing more.
Wow, really? lmao
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Why do you type so much? That being said, since I'm great and know all things, and you know nothing, I'll give you a piece of my knowledge
Ok, you're not good enough at this to act like this yet. Cutitout.
