Originally posted by riv6672
Going with Galactus.
You didnt stip him in any way, and, that makes him very potent, even if he us just throwing fists.
I would say these are stips only using strength, durability, stamina, and more importantly fists I said nothing about amping so no amping, this is standard Galactus vs 2000 Foot Destroyer only I will stip to is Galactus matching Destroyers height
Destroyer.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Galactus for the win. He tore one of the mad Celestials apart, which by Hickmans own account on Formspring is equal in power to the 616 Celestials, who the Destroyer, fully charged, couldn't even glance with it strikes.
Originally posted by One-Punch
And based on actual comics and not some cropped outdated newsletter page, Galactus lasted the longest against the Galactus Engine whereas the other celestial either died or fled, which included Arishem.
It's like arguing Captain America is more powerful than Thor because he was the last against IG Thanos.
And that list is accurate today too. Celestials treated Odin like a *****.
Odin is a peer to Galactus in every way.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And who knows how much attack Galactus endured against GE compared to celestials? The entire fight happened off panel.It's like arguing Captain America is more powerful than Thor because he was the last against IG Thanos.
And that list is accurate today too. Celestials treated Odin like a *****.
Odin is a peer to Galactus in every way.
Galactus was shown to be at the front line and center fighting against the GE.
In fact Galactus was the first cosmic entity the GE attacked.
http://whencallsgalactus.com/files/2012/01/Cancer1-722x1024.jpg
Later on, we see Tenebrous and the Celestials with Galactus fighting the GE. Galactus is still at the center directly in front of the GE.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/57845/1459385-the_engine.jpg
There were more than 16 or 17 Celestials at the frontline with Galactus. Notice Arishem (the guy who punked Odin) is directly below Galactus.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102593/3647595-0+%281%29.jpg
Later on Aegis dies, and it's confirmed the other cosmic entities (which include the Celestials) have retreated:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Cancerverse%20War/ThanImp_3_019.jpg
Galactus is the last one standing against the GE and the only thing from keeping the 616 Universe from being torn apart:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/47437/1662470-thanos_06_007_008.jpg
Thanos was playing around with the heroes on purpose. If he wanted to he could've killed everyone with a thought. The GE on the other hand was quote: "tearing through everything we have."
No offense to the all-father, but I don't see Odin lasting anywhere near that long against the GE.
Originally posted by One-Punch
Galactus was shown to be at the front line and center fighting against the GE.In fact Galactus was the first cosmic entity the GE attacked.
http://whencallsgalactus.com/files/2012/01/Cancer1-722x1024.jpgLater on, we see Tenebrous and the Celestials with Galactus fighting the GE. Galactus is still at the center directly in front of the GE.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/57845/1459385-the_engine.jpgThere were more than 16 or 17 Celestials at the frontline with Galactus. Notice Arishem (the guy who punked Odin) is directly below Galactus.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102593/3647595-0+%281%29.jpgLater on Aegis dies, and it's confirmed the other cosmic entities (which include the Celestials) have retreated:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Cancerverse%20War/ThanImp_3_019.jpgGalactus is the last one standing against the GE and the only thing from keeping the 616 Universe from being torn apart:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/47437/1662470-thanos_06_007_008.jpgThanos was playing around with the heroes on purpose. If he wanted to he could've killed everyone with a thought. The GE on the other hand was quote: "tearing through everything we have."
No offense to the all-father, but I don't see Odin lasting anywhere near that long against the GE.
The fact is that Galactus was the last of them doesn't makes him more powerful than Celestials as we never saw them taking the same attacks. Just like Aegis getting killed do casually doesn't means she wasn't Galactus level.
Odin koed Galactus with a headbutt. A simple spell from Asgard killed celestials like nothing.
Like I said the hierarchy is still the same as always but Celestials are a lot lower than they used to be.
In Thor 300? They'd treat Galactus the same way they did to Odin.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So essentially nothing but the fact that Galactus was more stubborn and was just as useless as celestials against Engine.The fact is that Galactus was the last of them doesn't makes him more powerful than Celestials as we never saw them taking the same attacks. Just like Aegis getting killed do casually doesn't means she wasn't Galactus level.
Odin koed Galactus with a headbutt. A simple spell from Asgard killed celestials like nothing.
Like I said the hierarchy is still the same as always but Celestials are a lot lower than they used to be.
In Thor 300? They'd treat Galactus the same way they did to Odin.
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It clearly shows Galactus is more powerful than the Celestials who fled.
And it was stated by Surfer that Galactus and the Celestials were fighting the GE on multiple planes of existence that mortal minds couldn't comprehend.
So here's Quasar and Nova asking why 616 Cosmics and the GE look like they're just having a stand-off and not doing anything (basically what you said abhi).
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/35308/2029836-thanimp_3_peterwatts_cps_004.jpg
Surfer explains they're actually fighting on an abstract scale and they (puny mortals) couldn't perceive it until the consequences:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/35308/2029838-thanimp_3_peterwatts_cps_005.jpg
And one of the consequences is Aegis randomly exploding and dying.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/57845/1325853-headsplosion.jpg
Celestials were stated to be more powerful than Galactus, by their creator Jack Kirby. And not by some tiny amount but on another level entirely. This has also been pretty consistently shown in the comics as well, especially in the earlier stories which still had a resemblance of consistency, unlike modern Marvel.
Quite naturally, due to the pretty poor editorial control Marvel has these days on their stories, combined with the presence of several writers who lack knowledge of, or respect for, the established history of their characters, there are bound to be LOTS of inconsistencies. And that is indeed the case with modern Marvel. The most consistent view still is, however, that the Celestials are more powerful than Galactus... as they were always intended to be.
Originally posted by Magnon
Celestials were stated to be more powerful than Galactus, by their creator Jack Kirby. And not by some tiny amount but on another level entirely. This has also been pretty consistently shown in the comics as well, especially in the earlier stories which still had a resemblance of consistency, unlike modern Marvel.Quite naturally, due to the pretty poor editorial control Marvel has these days on their stories, combined with the presence of several writers who lack knowledge of, or respect for, the established history of their characters, there are bound to be LOTS of inconsistencies. And that is indeed the case with modern Marvel. The most consistent view still is, however, that the Celestials are more powerful than Galactus... as they were always intended to be.
As to the thread, Galactus wins.
Originally posted by One-Punch
I didn't know editorials trump comics.And it depends on the Celestial, because they vary in power.
While I don't agree with everything he's said, I think his point is that Celestials standing in the cosmic hierarchy has changed significantly which probably accounts as to why Starlin's pecking order was written as this:
Not saying I agree, but the thought of Odin or Galactus (No offense) being in the same tier as a Celestial was not possible at the time of their introduction into Marvel.
And I think you are intelligent enough to realize why comparing the Destroyer's fight against the Fourth Host to Galactus' against the Mad Celestials isn't an accurate representation. If the World Eater was fighting side by side with the Destroyer during that story, he'd have had his anus violated just as badly if not worse.
A simple enough enchantment Odin forged can completely f*ck up any Celestial, even Exitar. Such a feat would be an unimaginable at the time of Thor #300, that includes Galactus taking on 4 crazy Celestials and living, much less holding his own.
But that's just me, canon is canon and nothing can change that. Adopting such a rigid viewpoint however limits your options.
As it stands right now, Odin in the Destroyer armor was implied to be more than a match against Galactus in Fraction's story IIRC (Been a while since I read that run). Which is probably accurate based on their fight (Galactus is more powerful, but they are on the same level). With all the power of Asgard and it's denizens inside of it, I think he'd stomp Galactus 90% of the time unless he was significantly powered up.
Unless you believe Galactus to be on a completely different level than Odin in power. Which some people do, although I disagree with this interpretation.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
While I don't agree with everything he's said, I think his point is that Celestials standing in the cosmic hierarchy has changed significantly which probably accounts as to why Starlin's pecking order was written as this:Not saying I agree, but the thought of Odin or Galactus (No offense) being in the same tier as a Celestial was not possible at the time of their introduction into Marvel.
And I think you are intelligent enough to realize why comparing the Destroyer's fight against the Fourth Host to Galactus' against the Mad Celestials isn't an accurate representation. If the World Eater was fighting side by side with the Destroyer during that story, he'd have had his anus violated just as badly if not worse.
A simple enough enchantment Odin forged can completely f*ck up any Celestial, even Exitar. Such a feat would be an unimaginable at the time of Thor #300, that includes Galactus taking on 4 crazy Celestials and living, much less holding his own.
But that's just me, canon is canon and nothing can change that. Adopting such a rigid viewpoint however limits your options.
As it stands right now, Odin in the Destroyer armor was implied to be more than a match against Galactus in Fraction's story IIRC (Been a while since I read that run). Which is probably accurate based on their fight (Galactus is more powerful, but they are on the same level). With all the power of Asgard and it's denizens inside of it, I think he'd stomp Galactus 90% of the time unless he was significantly powered up.
Unless you believe Galactus to be on a completely different level than Odin in power. Which some people do, although I disagree with this interpretation.
