Originally posted by Darth Thor
Doubt there would a huge gap tbh. Considering how ridiculously powerful Vader is, on top of the level of rage and anger he has powering himWell there is the fact that Anakin betrayed him and the entire Jedi Order.
That has to build a lot of inner darkness.
That's more concealed rage. I can be angry, but never unleash it. It's just dormant. That's inner anger/darkness. So again Mace wouldn't have enough energy form Vader to be able to beat him. I'm not saying this is a factual thing, but mace would have better luck with a Juyo or Ataru specialist. Most Juyo due to it being the former closest to the dark side.
Well I u detested and agree, but being in Anakins position, Windu did know he had some problems, however not a real good excuse. So even if his inner darkness is high, Vader's darkness that he lets out isn't.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2That doesn't make the canon feats any less canon. He's slow. Painfully slow and far less agile than pre suit. The rule is we don't have to use the eu since it's not canon. You break the movie versus rules all the time which is film feats only, hypocrite.
Wrong, wrong, wrong,and this is Star Wars versus forum, so look at the expanded universe before you talk about Vader's mobility.
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The script of ANH describes Vader as making lightning-fast movements, and in the majority of the EU Vader is still depicted as relatively fast (agile is another thing, but Vader has been depicted as agile before a swell). No idea why people still hang on to the belief that Vader is as slow as a sloth.
If we're looking for Canon speed feats for Vader, LotS has some nice ones (and nice ones for agility).
Originally posted by SunRazer
The script of ANH describes Vader as making lightning-fast movements, and in the majority of the EU Vader is still depicted as relatively fast (agile is another thing, but Vader has been depicted as agile before a swell). No idea why people still hang on to the belief that Vader is as slow as a sloth.If we're looking for Canon speed feats for Vader, LotS has some nice ones (and nice ones for agility).
Heck even in the movies alone, you see Vader at times both reacting and doing fast movements. So...yeah.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That doesn't make the canon feats any less canon. He's slow. Painfully slow and far less agile than pre suit. The rule is we don't have to use the eu since it's not canon. You break the movie versus rules all the time which is film feats only, hypocrite.🙂
In this forum we go by both canon and Expanded universe, and you can't rely on the movies for an accurate depiction of Vader's speed due to the lack of technology available to Lucas at the time, and how limited they are to Humana problems. Expmaded universe gives a better view of his speed, and his peed surpasses a lot of people, even top tier deulist. He was able to match more agile deulist so you underestimate his speed. Actually I don't break the rules. You should pay more attention. I only use the books when the books are put in my face first. So you admit you break the rules?
Also he's never been shown to have a speed problem in the movies. He's always been able to handle speed.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Yes, you can. We also see his slow movements in rebels. Canon counts. Read the rules. Windu wins, easily. Vader is too slow and cumbersome to even really challenge Windu. He gets wrecked faster than when Luke crushed him.
In this forum we go by both canon and Expanded universe, and you can't rely on the movies for an accurate depiction of Vader's speed due to the lack of technology available to Lucas at the time, and how limited they are to Humana problems. Expmaded universe gives a better view of his speed, and his peed surpasses a lot of people, even top tier deulist. He was able to match more agile deulist so you underestimate his speed. Actually I don't break the rules. You should pay more attention. I only use the books when the books are put in my face first. So you admit you break the rules?Also he's never been shown to have a speed problem in the movies. He's always been able to handle speed.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, you can. We also see his slow movements in rebels. Canon counts. Read the rules. Windu wins, easily. Vader is too slow and cumbersome to even really challenge Windu. He gets wrecked faster than when Luke crushed him.
I never said it didn't count. You just lowball people. Vader can match Windu's speed since Vader was described as moving faster than thought. Both can move incredibly fast. Vader's force powers are also greater than Windu's. Vader gets the saber, force, and all out in my book.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, you can. We also see his slow movements in rebels. Canon counts. Read the rules. Windu wins, easily. Vader is too slow and cumbersome to even really challenge Windu. He gets wrecked faster than when Luke crushed him.
He's also moved fast in just the movies too. That's canon, which as you said, it counts.
How about this canon feat?
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111155790/4603564-darth+vader+006-005.jpg
Or this one?
Those V-wings are coming back around, Goll said, firing down into the quarry at Vader, who was sprinting across the quarry's floor, coming on so fast that Cham would not have believed it had he not seen it. Isval had both pistols out and aimed, firing red lines at Vader. Cham was shooting as fast as he could, too, but Vader's blade was faster, deflecting every shot, sending fully half of them back at Isval and Cham and Goll, causing them to duck and cover.When Vader reached the steep-walled side of the quarry he bounded up, caught a hold on some protuberance or other, crouched, and bounded up again.
That's impossible, Goll muttered, but he kept firing.
Isval knew better. She'd seen what Vader could do. Nothing he did surprised her.
And now he was coming for them.
They kept firing, leaning out over the lip of the quarry to fire down the steep side, but Vader's lightsaber turned the air red before him and none of their shots so much as touched him. He leapt from one spot to the next, ascending, pausing only for a moment upon landing to tense before leaping again and ascending farther.
-- Lords Of The Sith
Suure, slow as ****.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2We see that he didn't move faster than thought. That's hyperbolic nonsense kiddies use as debating points.
I never said it didn't count. You just lowball people. Vader can match Windu's speed since Vader was described as moving faster than thought. Both can move incredibly fast. Vader's force powers are also greater than Windu's. Vader gets the saber, force, and all out in my book.
No, they aren't. Vader is angrier but the guy got wrecked by Luke. Who wrecked Mace ? On no one did in a fair fight. He had Vader's dark master begging to spare his life. Canon. 🙂
Originally posted by Darth ThorIn the suit he definitely was. Pre suit Kenobi beat him. Kenobi wasn't even allowed to go after Sidious because he's out of his league. That's the guy Windu beat.
And was he portrayed slower than Windu in ROTS? Nope.You lose. As per usual.
And Disney has destroyed your Trolling of "Movies Only Canon" LMAO
When did I ever deny anything canon ?
Originally posted by quanchi112
In the suit he definitely was. Pre suit Kenobi beat him. Kenobi wasn't even allowed to go after Sidious because he's out of his league. That's the guy Windu beat.When did I ever deny anything canon ?
Oh Bravo at the logic! LOL
Let me do you one better:
Pre-Suit Anakin beat Dooku. Dooku fought off Yoda, proving Pre-Suit Anakin was already close to Yoda. Post-Suit Vader is more powerful than Pre-Suit as confirmed in the New Canon "Lords of the Sith."
Then Rebels Vader is even more powerful than Lords of the Sith Vader as confirmed by Pablo Hidalgo of the Lucasfilm Story Group.
So yeah Rebels Vader is well above Windu.
As for when you denied anything canon? Just now when you claimed Post Suit Vader is beneath pre-suit Vader.
You see I'm better at Quanchi logic than the troll himself. Either way, I always win.
Originally posted by Darth Thorabc logic which proves nothing since different styles have different advantages, etc.
Oh Bravo at the logic! LOLLet me do you one better:
Pre-Suit Anakin beat Dooku. Dooku fought off Yoda, proving Pre-Suit Anakin was already close to Yoda. Post-Suit Vader is more powerful than Pre-Suit as confirmed in the New Canon "Lords of the Sith."
Then Rebels Vader is even more powerful than Lords of the Sith Vader as confirmed by Pablo Hidalgo of the Lucasfilm Story Group.
So yeah Rebels Vader is well above Windu.
As for when you denied anything canon? Just now when you claimed Post Suit Vader is beneath pre-suit Vader.
You see I'm better at Quanchi logic than the troll himself. Either way, I always win.
More powerful; sure. More mobile; no.
I saw rebels Vader against scrubs such on the show with no real training he was beaten back. Windu would wreck those two while holding back so despite all your blanket statements the facts definitely don't add up.
Facts matter not general statements with regards to power; ALONE.
