Originally posted by SelenialI do not ignore the hyperbolic quotes which don't show any real time speed or action. What I do is highlight him in real time and how painstakingly immobile he is. Luke exposed him. The proof is in the pudding.
I love how Quanchi just ignores the canon quotes from new novels in the hopes no-one noticed Nargaroth one shorting him.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceWho says he was holding back ? Basically I hear excuses like hey special effects made him slow despite Luke not being slow or hey he was holding back despite nothing to back that claim.
You mean when he's holding back, or when he's still faster than everyone else there? Like seriously.
He's in a big suit and is slower than he was pre suit because he's bigger and bulkier.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He doesn't move fast in the films. His suit weighs him down and we see against Luke his mobility is definitely an issue.
I'm not really seeing a snail pace here. Ignore the speed, the gifs do that, but really though just watch the fights again, there are some quick movements that happen.
Originally posted by ZenwolfHe can move his saber quickly but his body moves rather slowly.
https://j.gifs.com/KzZWRW.gifI'm not really seeing a snail pace here. Ignore the speed, the gifs do that, but really though just watch the fights again, there are some quick movements that happen.
1:57 he doesn't even realize Luke jumps right out of the pit he was in. 2:11 despite being weapon less Luke maneuvers around him and shoots him with the gas. This is against a very weak Luke who wasn't ready for this and still showed himself to be far quicker than Vader during this fight. 2:41 Vader falls off the platform embarrassingly so showing he lacked the awareness and skill to do anything about it against an inferior Luke. 5:30 Vader gets tagged in the arm again against a vastly inferior Luke who wasn't ready for Vader according to his master, Yoda.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C-DeI3ohVbY
His lack of mobility and maneuverability is an issue against Luke skywalker before completing his training.
