Originally posted by JBLAre you trolling me? Name which scan did not match my words. I just single proved that Superman's hv is far hotter than a star and shown it penetrating beings with the exact same feats as Surfer going inside stars.
Your scans do not match your words. Surfer 10/10 with ease. Next it will be said that superman can match or exceed thors hammer output if not already tried.
So that I'm sure that you are not trolling me. Show or name a feat where Surfer tanked something far hotter than a star.
Originally posted by abhilegend
But as Surfer fans are do eager to match space cheese feats, here is one to match. Superman moves Krypton under a red sun by powering engines through HV.http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/media/Strength/Lifting-Pushing-Pulling/Krypton_II/SUPERMAN_V2_167-PG15.jpg.html
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/media/Strength/Lifting-Pushing-Pulling/Krypton_II/SUPERMAN_V2_167-PG16.jpg.html
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/media/Strength/Lifting-Pushing-Pulling/Krypton_II/SUPERMAN_V2_167-PG17.jpg.html
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/media/Strength/Lifting-Pushing-Pulling/Krypton_II/SUPERMAN_V2_167-PG18.jpg.html
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/media/Strength/Lifting-Pushing-Pulling/Krypton_II/SUPERMAN_V2_167-PG19-20.jpg.html
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/media/Strength/Lifting-Pushing-Pulling/Krypton_II/SUPERMAN_V2_167-PG21.jpg.htmlAnd Krypton is ****ing huge. It dwarf Jupiter actually.
Surfer maxed at moving a moon. He had to actually use more power than ever to move a moon.
http://postimg.org/image/p7ajs6yrf/
http://postimg.org/image/rd4ump27v/😂
Well, if we're using "powering engines" kinda "feats", a more direct comparison would be keeping a planet "bigger than any 4 planets combined" from crumbling by powering it.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Surfer/SilverSurfer2014-003-007.jpg.html
As a scope of how massive the Impericon is, it was so big that it had suites that had moons.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Surfer/SilverSurfer2014-001-012.jpg.html
IMO, It's a more apples to apples comparison.
Originally posted by Surturcorrect. But those feats just gives us a benefit of the doubt that the hv is potent enough to harm Herald level beings. Especially able to melt a magical Herald level beings weapon. The quantifiable ones are enough to prove that Superman wins.
Some of the feats just aren't quantifiable. How hot is the pit of Hades supposed to be? I also thought he was sundipped when he did the AoE planet hv?
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Well, if we're using "powering engines" kinda "feats", a more direct comparison would be keeping a planet "bigger than any 4 planets combined" from crumbling by powering it.http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Surfer/SilverSurfer2014-003-007.jpg.html
As a scope of how massive the Impericon is, it was so big that it had suites that had moons.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Surfer/SilverSurfer2014-001-012.jpg.html
IMO, It's a more apples to apples comparison.
Under the same writer he explicitly stated that to move the moon he has to push harder than ever.
Superman powered the miracle machine and then helped move the ****ing multiverse outside Darkseid's black hole along with the supermen of multiverse and GLs.
uhuh
Originally posted by abhilegend
He powered the planet. Not moved it. Superman moved the planet under his own power.Under the same writer he explicitly stated that to move the moon he has to push harder than ever.
Surfer pushing the moon was him not using an outside engine/machine to accomplish it. And he's not really known for pushing things.
A more apples-to-apples depiction (if we base it on the "feat" you posted) of the power levels of the energy they generate would be with regards to what the machines they powered managed to accomplish with the energy they gave it.
Although, honestly, I don't know how this really determines who would win in an energy blast fight.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman powered the miracle machine and then helped move the ****ing multiverse outside Darkseid's black hole along with the supermen of multiverse and GLs.
Uh huh.... uhuh
See very last sentence above.
Also, aren't fights like this supposed to be about current versions of said characters? Shouldn't this be DCNU Superman vs Surfer? Are the above DCNU "feats"?
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Surfer pushing the moon was him not using an outside engine/machine to accomplish it. And he's not really known for pushing things.
Those machines didn't help Superman. It was all his own power.
Under a red sun to boot.
A more apples-to-apples depiction (if we base it on the "feat" you posted) of the power levels of the energy they generate would be with regards to what the machines they powered managed to accomplish with the energy they gave it.
You are once again trying to obfuscate a simple showing. How do the engines generate more power than what they received? When the comic never suggested it?
Although, honestly, I don't know how this really determines who would win in an energy blast fight.
Because by space cheese or against characters Superman trumps Surfer.
Uh huh.... uhuh
See very last sentence above.Also, aren't fights like this supposed to be about current versions of said characters? Shouldn't this be DCNU Superman vs Surfer? Are the above DCNU "feats"?
Might be. OP never specified which version it is.
Originally posted by abhilegend
1) Those machines didn't help Superman. It was all his own power.Under a red sun to boot.
2) You are once again trying to obfuscate a simple showing. How do the engines generate more power than what they received? When the comic never suggested it?
3) Because by space cheese or against characters Superman trumps Surfer.
sneer4) Might be. OP never specified which version it is.
1) Who said that it wasn't his own power?
What I said is that, based on your own words, he POWERED an engine to accomplish said "feat". The same way Surfer POWERED a machine to accomplish his. Apples to apples.
2) When did I say that engines generate more power than they receive? Or anything of the kind? You seem to be misunderstanding what I'm saying...
3) Debatable. That's for the others here to argue, tho. I'm just here to state that a closer comparison to the "feat" you posted would be the one I mentioned.
4) Thought it was always "most current" unamped version. Although the MU reboot kinda confuses things a bit. Eh, that's why I don't really come here often, too many changes in comics happening to keep track of.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
1) Who said that it wasn't his own power?What I said is that, based on your own words, he POWERED an engine to accomplish said "feat". The same way Surfer POWERED a machine to accomplish his. Apples to apples.
Superman moved the planet. Surfer didn't.
2) When did I say that engines generate more power than they receive? Or anything of the kind? You seem to be misunderstanding what I'm saying...
3) Debatable. That's for the others here to argue, tho. I'm just here to state that a closer comparison to the "feat" you posted would be the one I mentioned.
No, it doesn't. Surfer powers the planet. Not moved it.
4) Thought it was always "most current" unamped version. Although the MU reboot kinda confuses things a bit. Eh, that's why I don't really come here often, too many changes in comics happening to keep track of.
Shame.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman moved the planet. Surfer didn't.No, it doesn't. Surfer powers the planet. Not moved it.
Shame.
Both examples are essentially their energy used to power machines/engines to accomplish something.
It's just then left to argue what would take more energy, moving a planet or keeping a planet together. But as it is, it is quantifiably apples-to-apples.
Originally posted by h1a8
Why won't it hurt Surfer? Because you think the hv is as hot as a star and Surfer can fly through stars without being damaged? If so then you are mistaken. The hv is far hotter than the core of a star, so hot that it can penetrate, like a hot knife through butter, high herald level beings that can survived inside stars without any damage (just like Surfer).But here is some feats for you since you believe the hv won't hurt Surfer.
Can match absolute zero and thus must reach planck temperature of 1.41 x 10^32K
Hotter than the pit of Hades. Starts to melt D.C. Thor's axe
So hot it can repair reality. Out does Astroforce. Can output enough energy to move a planet more massive than Jupiter
Can cut through high herald level beings like a hot knife through butter
So lol to Surfer being able to survive a star's hv as proof he won't be damaged by hv.
Not one thing here even remotely suggests that HV will go through Silver Surfer "like a hot knife through butter."
Under these stips, once again, Silver Surfer wins easily every time.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Surfer wins.
Superman's hv can match absolute zero which means it can reach planck temperature of 1.41 x 10^32K. This is hotter than anything in the universe. This is the ultimate feat, Unless you think that Captain's cold freeze ray wasn't absolute zero.
http://i57.tinypic.com/b64lqq.jpg
AOE an entire planet. This shows that Superman can do AOE attacks.
http://i62.tinypic.com/14aabzc.jpg
So hot that man has no instruments to measure it. Man can create lasers and other things and measure then to thousands of time hotter than the sun with ease. So Superman's hv is far hotter than anything man can create.
http://i57.tinypic.com/fzckg7.jpg
Hotter than the pit of Hades. Starts to melt D.C. Thor's axe. Even though we don't have many feats of this Thor and his weapon we can at least assume that it is far more durable than conventional man made alloys, especially with that Thor being strong enough to affect Superman.
http://i59.tinypic.com/fy22pv.jpg
So hot it can repair reality.
http://i62.tinypic.com/s6hnat.jpg
Can output enough energy to move a planet more massive than Jupiter.
http://i60.tinypic.com/ny8h39.jpg
Now for the one important (non space cheese) feat that proves Superman wins. Superman can survive inside a star (just like Surfer) and become more powerful. So many would argue that the feat doesn't count since the star powers Superman and it isn't his durability that actually protects him. Well Superman has also survived inside a giant red star (a star that doesn't give him powers but takes it away) without any damage whatsoever. Yet HV is shown able to pierce him like a hot knife through butter. So if Surfer's best feat of resisting heat is going through a star then this feat below PROVES that Superman's hv will go through him like a hot knife through butter if Superman decides to turn it on and let loose.
http://i62.tinypic.com/2affyc7.jpg
What are Surfer's best blast feats against high herald level beings?
What are his best space cheese feats?
Do they compare? I know a lot of Surfer's feats but I'll be open to any Surfer fan to post feats that compare or exceed the feats I posted. Let's debate without trolling (saying Superman or Surfer wins while ignoring proof from the other character because we like the character better).
