Silver Surfer vs Superman w/stips

Originally posted by JBL
It was a comparison of them fighting the same foe and using heat vision and energy blasts. Supermans heat attack compared to surfers energy blasts is not close at all. I know you like superman, but calling people idiots because they say its a stomp kind of let's the car out the bag. Debate me or others who make this claim instead of calling people idiots.

More out of you? Do you only come here to talk about your crush Superman? Who tortured you as a kid and bent you over daily with his comics?

As for the topic, Saying Superman is vastly outclassed in energy projection is like saying Omega beams are shit. Which mind you are above Surfers blasts. That HV has blocked.

I wonder if it's trolling to constantly state a character wins without offering any on panel proof contradicting the on panel proof that has been shown.
I clearly have shown feats where hv trumps Surfer's blasts. At least show feats where Surfer actually hurt and greatly damage High Heralds with his blasts. Has he even done such a thing?

Originally posted by One-Punch
Abhi's new game plan: don't like the showing? Yell non-canon without proof.

Uh-huh. At least I'm not posting non canon scans as proof.

Weak excuse. At best Superman was subtlety influenced at that point, no indication that it made his HV weaker.
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Superman's every power depends upon his mental clarity. It's written in canon.

Read action comics 586.[quote]

Based on? The regular JLA crew were transported to the future to fight Solaris and transported back to their time afterwards.

Ah, right. It's from DC one million. Same character appeared in Superman animated comics too.

But then you'd know that Superman's powers were deliberately sabotaged by Solaris in that time.

Hence why I said he tanked it, instead of no-selling it like the others

If tanking is taking unendurable agony by a weakened superman while sun doesn't phased him, sure.

That actually works against you.

Wrong.

Diode actually came out of retirement to give himself recognition and show-off to his retired buddies who made fun of him. He ended up fighting (and then later helping) Superman.

You really didn't comprehend the story, did you?

The reporters caught it all on tape and it on the news channel where Diode showed off to his retired buddies:
http://s23.postimg.org/ka9kc306z/P00019.jpg
http://s23.postimg.org/3xzimclvf/P00020.jpg

Maybe I should post the whole comic here for you to comprehend. You should have at least posted the bit where Diode beat Superman!!!!!

The narration says the supernova hit him. You need to be hit by the supernova in order to ride its "waves of destruction."

No, it did not.

You can ride the waves of destruction without getting hit.

Surfer is smiling and riding supernovas for fun, while that GL is scared and clearly hurt by an exploding star. Good comparison. Also irrelevant to Superman.

Surfer was never hit by a supernova. One time it was when Goddess was attempting to make the sun go supernova, it was outright shown surfer would be atomized.

Also that's day one GL. He was scared but not hurt.

Now rookie Green Lanterns are more durable than Superman. This just keeps getting better and better.

Based on?

Superman actually tanking supernova.

Underwhelming since all they actually did was activate a big volcanic eruption, not to mention it's a shared feat of combining 2 types of heat visions. Show me Superman replicating it by himself.

It was absorbed by a dimension full of beings who were able to absorb all heat. Now all of a sudden narration isn't reliable, right?

Are you saying heat pulse rivaling sun's birth is not impressive? Even half of that is more than Surfer can produce.

Prove it, give a legit reference.

You and Juntai tried claiming Epic Illustrated #1 wasn't canon to 616 Surfer, and it turned out it was (referenced in Marvel's Official FF4 index as in continuity).

It's from Marvel Adventures 10.

And lol @ Epic imprint being canon.

So either provide proof or stop crying wolf.

Hahaha.

Does Superman derive his power from the sun, or from Galactus' alien science? Does Superman have the power cosmic?

Simple questions.

So now only heat produced by power cosmic can hurt Surfer? Show me Firelord blasting through a Herald. Should be simple for his "special heat".

You realize the '[b]agitation of molecules' is the scientific definition for heat right?

http://quatr.us/chemistry/atoms/heat.htm

Not by telekinesis though.

You claim heat vision isn't just heat, then provide a scan that says it's heat LOL. In fact your scan shows Salaak dissing HV saying it's useless against large objects. [/B]

Are you claiming HV doesn't packs force besides heat?

Tread carefully.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Surfer doesn't just absorb heat though. He can absorb concussive blasts and amp himself.

Like the time he absorbed an armada using all their power to blast him, then using that energy to stabilize a sun.
http://imgur.com/a/N5Vbq#3
http://imgur.com/a/N5Vbq#4
http://imgur.com/a/N5Vbq#5

His silvery skin can also reflect energy blasts too.

Like the time he used his silvery skin to reflect an energy beam created by the 6 Infinity Gems being used to depower Galactus:
http://i.imgur.com/XTUouTO.jpg

So Surfer's silvery skin not only has high durability, it's virtually immune to heat, can absorb concussive blasts, or reflect them away. Sounds like it'd be useful when facing HEAT vision.

Are you claiming surfer can absorb solar energy better than Superman? Because even Superman gets harmed by it.

And he deflecting is a draining beam by the gems. It wasn't blasting him.

Major Force's skin is also very durable and reflective of energy.

Superman melted him to nearly slag.

Originally posted by h1a8
I wonder if it's trolling to constantly state a character wins without offering any on panel proof contradicting the on panel proof that has been shown.
I clearly have shown feats where hv trumps Surfer's blasts. At least show feats where Surfer actually hurt and greatly damage High Heralds with his blasts. Has he even done such a thing?

Isn't that what you do on a constant basis? I guess you can't smell shit if it's all over you huh?

But really, see Surfer no selling HV.

Oh right, he was dancing like a ballerina to avoid getting hit.
Yes, it's non admissible here but it's still better than fanfiction surfer fans are trying to sell. It's from Surfer's regular writer Ron Marz too.

Not to mention Surfer's patented "I have the power cosmic" blast oneshotting Cyborg.

http://i.imgur.com/f8EMG3e.jpg

Oh right, never happened.

Superman vs Cyborg heat vision attacks.

Blasted an amped Cyborg's body apart with oneshot. He rebuilt his body but that's beside the point.

And Cyborg can casually shrug off attacks from Hal which were as hot as sun itself.

http://i.imgur.com/kIv7Dte.jpg

Plus, during Hunter Prey his HV could wreck Cyborg but didn't come close the the Omega Besms. Despite the Arguable Kryptonite X power up. Even being in proximity to them hurt him iirc.

By PWAW, HV was directly on par with OB and Supes could tank the Omegas.

The editors clarified that Superman didn't have kryptonite x power up in Hunter Prey. It's supposed to happen after Parasite drained him but it still gave him a permanent boost.

Ahbi how do you keep this up?

Keep what?

We have showed on panel evidence of how powerful the hv can be.
No one has shown Surfer doing any better with his blasts.
Thus anyone who claims Surfer still wins is not only ignoring posted evidence but trolling. If you believe that Surfer wins then provide written or posted evidence in regards to what was posted for Superman. When arguing for characters in different companies we debate by feats, nothing else.

Lmao using non canon crossovers, desperate much.

I geuss we can using DS using the Omega Beams with a sneak attack and not been able to put Surfer down

😂

Don't post crossovers.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Uh-huh. At least I'm not posting non canon scans as proof.

You're definitely no expert on continuity, you yell retcon and non-canon whenever it suits you argument without references. You were wrong about Epic Illustrated #1 being non-canon for Surfer (see below) so either prove they're non-canon or stop crying wolf.

Ah, right. It's from DC one million. Same character appeared in Superman animated comics too.

But then you'd know that Superman's powers were deliberately sabotaged by Solaris in that time.

The only thing Solaris did was make it seem like Superman attacked the audience and turned him into a fugitive so everyone attacked him. Hence why Captain Metamorpho attacked him.

Provide an issue and page # to back your claim.

If tanking is taking unendurable agony by a weakened superman while sun doesn't phased him, sure.

That actually works against you.

The sun is nothing to Surfer, what does that tell you?

You really didn't comprehend the story, did you?

Maybe I should post the whole comic here for you to comprehend. You should have at least posted the bit where Diode beat Superman!!!!!

I can post the entire comic too, but instead I'll just post the part where Diode comes out of retirement to make a comeback:
http://s12.postimg.org/5y7er6o2l/P00006.jpg
http://s12.postimg.org/c0f1hocil/P00010.jpg

No, it did not.

You can ride the waves of destruction without getting hit.

Surfer was never hit by a supernova. One time it was when Goddess was attempting to make the sun go supernova, it was outright shown surfer would be atomized.

Also that's day one GL. He was scared but not hurt.

That makes absolutely no sense. How do you ride something without touching it? It's not like Surfer is using a space-ship. All he has is a surfboard.

You're also ignoring the narration that says the gasses released "catch" Surfer.

And lol at the Goddess example. Superman stated himself he'd be incinerated by the sun during the Eradicator arc, should we take his word?

Now rookie Green Lanterns are more durable than Superman. This just keeps getting better and better.

Superman actually tanking supernova.

Superman was KTFO by a supernova's wave of destruction.
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supernovaplanetexplosion1.jpg
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supernovaplanetexplosion2.jpg

Hurt by jet fuel in that's thousands of Fahrenheit.
http://s1.postimg.org/btv4hkz3z/P00045.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/8uo7ugpmn/P00154.jpg

Eradicator channeling energy from the sun's core KOs Superman with its heat vision.
http://s1.postimg.org/vafu43u7z/P00046.jpg

Eradicator burns and sears through Superman's skin.
http://s1.postimg.org/jszhcne7z/P00043.jpg

Burns Superman's face up again.
http://s1.postimg.org/6nfdssuyn/P00073.jpg

Eradicator burns and sears Superman's eyes shut, phucks up his face with burns.
http://s1.postimg.org/g98y93m4f/P00074.jpg

Eradicator burns Superman's face some more, tosses him in the sun.
http://s1.postimg.org/4f5sp7d8f/P00101.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/v2s77lj9b/P00102.jpg

Superman can feel the atomic flames through his invulnerability.
http://s1.postimg.org/qlzu8x51b/P00086.jpg

Superman gets KTFO by the fire pits of Apocalypse.
http://s1.postimg.org/rpjykvpof/P00090.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/runpujwzj/P00091.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/w6cbjk3wf/P00092.jpg

Gets his hand seared by a mind-controlled Volcana.
http://s1.postimg.org/6ywu5kben/P00059.jpg

Superman gets KTFO for an entire day from a sun-eater explosion.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanSunEater1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanSunEater2.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanSunEater3.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanSunEater4.jpg

No wonder other people's HV goes through him like butter. Just 'cause other people's HV go through Superman doesn't mean it'll go through Surfer. Feats aren't transferable, and you have to proof Superman's heat resistance is the same as Surfers and by the looks of it, it's not close.

Superman going into or near yellow suns don't count for obvious reasons.

It was absorbed by a dimension full of beings who were able to absorb all heat. Now all of a sudden narration isn't reliable, right?

Are you saying heat pulse rivaling sun's birth is not impressive? Even half of that is more than Surfer can produce.

The narration states the combo HV created a volcanic eruption. For a "heat pulse that rival's the sun's rebirth" it sure is underwhelming, unless you don't think it might be...*GASP! Hyperbole?

And if Superman's HV was so powerful, why did he need to sundip to heat up Earth?

It's from Marvel Adventures 10.

In that issue Ego references how he was able to drive off a hungry Galactus--which happened in 616 continuity.

Later on in Marvel Adventures #13 Surfer references how Reed originally used the ultimate nullifier to drive Galactus away from Earth--this happened in 616 continuity

Surfer also references how Galactus eventually removed the barrier around Earth--this happened in 616 continuity

In the same issue Surfer is lured to counter-earth, and it's referenced how the High Evolutionary originally created counter-earth. This happened in 616 continuity and to my knowledge counter-earth has only been shown to exist in the 616 universe.

The Skrulls reference how they originally tried to invade Earth, but were driven away by the FF4--again this happened in 616 continuity.

That's 5 references to 616 continuity.

And lol @ Epic imprint being canon.

Epic Illustrated #1 is canon for Surfer:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/meltdown.htm

1. "Epic Illustrated featured a SS story that is in-continuity, as it was cited in the FF Index#4 entry"

And if we check the Official Marvel Index of the Fantastic Four:

Excerpt ... under "Villains"

Credit to Mr. Master

Turns out Surfer's appearance in Epic Illustrated #1 is chronologically Surfer's 1st appearance in continuity.

You're full of crap trying to claim you actually know anything about continuity. So either provide proof for your "non-canon" claims, or stop crying wolf.

Hahaha.

So now only heat produced by power cosmic can hurt Surfer? Show me Firelord blasting through a Herald. Should be simple for his "special heat".

Surfer says the sun is nothing to him, but power cosmic is.

Not by telekinesis though.

And Sarkaas dissed it by saying its only useful at the micro, and useless for macro objects.

Are you claiming HV doesn't packs force besides heat?

Tread carefully.

Your own scan betrays you and says it causes 'agitation of molecules' which is the scientific definition of heat.

Here HV is described as a "concentrated beam of extreme heat."
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/...ntratedHeat.jpg

Superman isn't Cyclops.

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

Are you claiming surfer can absorb solar energy better than Superman? Because even Superman gets harmed by it.

And he deflecting is a draining beam by the gems. It wasn't blasting him.

Major Force's skin is also very durable and reflective of energy.

Superman melted him to nearly slag.

But if Surfer wanted he could absorb Superman's heat vision and amp himself, just as easily as Cauldron did:
http://s13.postimg.org/y91v37nk7/P00052.jpg

The energy beam from the 6 infinity gems had enough energy to rejuvenate a solar system. Yes it was blasting because Nova tried tanking the beam and was nearly killed. Later on in the same book Nova easily tanks a point blank supernova.
http://s22.postimg.org/a04rcvt75/Silver_Surfer_1988_009_15.jpg
http://s22.postimg.org/jagvgf3wx/Silver_Surfer_1988_009_16.jpg
http://s22.postimg.org/pa4mk2opd/Silver_Surfer_1988_009_18.jpg

And before you post your nonsense about how "a black hole nearly kills Surfer and Nova" go read SS Vol.3 #15 and #18 where Surfer (and later Nova) travel into that very same black hole unscathed.

Major Force isn't Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The editors clarified that Superman didn't have kryptonite x power up in Hunter Prey. It's supposed to happen after Parasite drained him but it still gave him a permanent boost.

Absolutely false. That amp wasn't permanent.

It was stated in the comic TWICE that Superman's powers went back to normal. Comics supersede ambiguous editor comments.

Hamilton confirms Superman's power is back to normal.

Later confirmed again by Martha.

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When Superman got his power-up it was made clear he no longer needed to breath in space, and can travel in space without worrying.
http://s12.postimg.org/4vlbwg9ct/P00079.jpg

After losing his power-up Superman needed to breath oxygen again. If his power-up was permanent he would've retained his ability not needing oxygen.

Needs the Motherbox to breathe in space.
http://s12.postimg.org/felblmc0t/P00168.jpg

Can only hold his breath for 2-3 hours:
http://s12.postimg.org/ksk3t61r1/P00055.jpg

Needs oxygen mask to breathe in space:
http://s12.postimg.org/z5djrhlr1/P00081.jpg
http://s12.postimg.org/ve3z5682l/P00084.jpg

Needs Kyle to create an oxygen mask for him in space:
http://s12.postimg.org/q056xmicd/P00087.jpg

Chokes from lack of air even though he's near the sun:
http://s12.postimg.org/l90q1v04d/P00092.jpg

Superman was consistently portrayed as needing oxygen all the way until he trained with Mongul to expand his lung capacity:
http://s12.postimg.org/9y2nr8in1/P00117.jpg

Like I said, comic books overrule amiguous editor comments, especially if the comments are directly contradicted by the comics.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Yet you post a [b]cross-over...hypocrite much?

You're definitely no expert on continuity, you yell retcon and non-canon whenever it suits you argument without references. You were wrong about Epic Illustrated #1 being non-canon for Surfer (see below) so either prove they're non-canon or stop crying wolf.

Wrong again.

The only thing Solaris did was make it seem like Superman attacked the audience and turned him into a fugitive so everyone attacked him. Hence why Captain Metamorpho attacked him.

Provide an issue and page # to back your claim.

This Brute that tanked Superman's HV was later incinerated by being tossed into the sun.
http://s16.postimg.org/oogppfg4l/P00059.jpg

The sun is nothing to Surfer, what does that tell you?

Wrong yet again, Diode never beat Superman in that story--seems like your memory is failing.

I can post the entire comic too, but instead I'll just post the part where Diode comes out of retirement to make a comeback:
http://s12.postimg.org/5y7er6o2l/P00006.jpg
http://s12.postimg.org/c0f1hocil/P00010.jpg

So you're saying you can ride a supernova without touching it? 😂

That makes absolutely no sense. How do you ride something without touching it? It's not like Surfer is using a space-ship. All he has is a surfboard.

You're also ignoring the narration that says the gasses released "catch" Surfer.

And lol at the Goddess example. Superman stated himself he'd be incinerated by the sun during the Eradicator arc, should we take his word?

In terms of heat energy durability Superman has been hurt and burned several times.

Superman was KTFO by a supernova's wave of destruction.
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supernovaplanetexplosion1.jpg
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supernovaplanetexplosion2.jpg

Hurt by jet fuel in that's thousands of Fahrenheit.
http://s1.postimg.org/btv4hkz3z/P00045.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/8uo7ugpmn/P00154.jpg

Eradicator channeling energy from the sun's core KOs Superman with its heat vision.
http://s1.postimg.org/vafu43u7z/P00046.jpg

Eradicator burns and sears through Superman's skin.
http://s1.postimg.org/jszhcne7z/P00043.jpg

Burns Superman's face up again.
http://s1.postimg.org/6nfdssuyn/P00073.jpg

Eradicator burns and sears Superman's eyes shut, phucks up his face with burns.
http://s1.postimg.org/g98y93m4f/P00074.jpg

Eradicator burns Superman's face some more, tosses him in the sun.
http://s1.postimg.org/4f5sp7d8f/P00101.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/v2s77lj9b/P00102.jpg

Superman can feel the atomic flames through his invulnerability.
http://s1.postimg.org/qlzu8x51b/P00086.jpg

Superman gets KTFO by the fire pits of Apocalypse.
http://s1.postimg.org/rpjykvpof/P00090.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/runpujwzj/P00091.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/w6cbjk3wf/P00092.jpg

Gets his hand seared by a mind-controlled Volcana.
http://s1.postimg.org/6ywu5kben/P00059.jpg

Superman gets KTFO for an entire day from a sun-eater explosion.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanSunEater1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanSunEater2.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanSunEater3.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanSunEater4.jpg

No wonder other people's HV goes through him like butter. Just 'cause other people's HV go through Superman doesn't mean it'll go through Surfer. Feats aren't transferable, and you have to proof Superman's heat resistance is the same as Surfers and by the looks of it, it's not close.

Superman going into or near yellow suns don't count for obvious reasons.

Again shared feat by combining two HV and Martian Vision. Show him replicating it solo.

The narration states the combo HV created a volcanic eruption. For a "heat pulse that rival's the sun's rebirth" it sure is underwhelming, unless you don't think it might be...*GASP! Hyperbole?

And if Superman's HV was so powerful, why did he need to sundip to heat up Earth?

So?

In that issue Ego references how he was able to drive off a hungry Galactus--which happened in 616 continuity.

Later on in Marvel Adventures #13 Surfer references how Reed originally used the ultimate nullifier to drive Galactus away from Earth--this happened in 616 continuity

Surfer also references how Galactus eventually removed the barrier around Earth--this happened in 616 continuity

In the same issue Surfer is lured to counter-earth, and it's referenced how the High Evolutionary originally created counter-earth. This happened in 616 continuity and to my knowledge counter-earth has only been shown to exist in the 616 universe.

The Skrulls reference how they originally tried to invade Earth, but were driven away by the FF4--again this happened in 616 continuity.

That's 5 references to 616 continuity.

Epic Illustrated #1 is canon for Surfer:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/meltdown.htm

1. "Epic Illustrated featured a SS story that is in-continuity, as it was cited in the FF Index#4 entry"

And if we check the Official Marvel Index of the Fantastic Four:

Excerpt ... under "Villains"

Credit to Mr. Master

Turns out Surfer's appearance in Epic Illustrated #1 is chronologically Surfer's 1st appearance in continuity.

You're full of crap trying to claim you actually know anything about continuity. So either provide proof for your "non-canon" claims, or stop crying wolf.

Answer the question: does superman derive his power from the sun, or power cosmic?

Surfer says the sun is nothing to him, but power cosmic is.

The method is irrelevant. The end product is still 'agitation of molecules' which is the literal definition of heat.

And Sarkaas dissed it by saying its only useful at the micro, and useless for macro objects.

Sure it does, but let's not pretend heat isn't a large part of it since it is called HEAT vision for a reason.

Your own scan betrays you and says it causes 'agitation of molecules' which is the scientific definition of heat.

Here HV is described as a "concentrated beam of extreme heat."
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/...ntratedHeat.jpg

Superman isn't Cyclops.

I'm claiming Surfer can absorb concussive blast and proved it via the scan, learn to read.

But if Surfer wanted he could absorb Superman's heat vision and amp himself, just as easily as Cauldron did:
http://s13.postimg.org/y91v37nk7/P00052.jpg

The energy beam from the 6 infinity gems had enough energy to rejuvenate a solar system. Yes it was blasting because Nova tried tanking the beam and was nearly killed. Later on in the same book Nova easily tanks a point blank supernova.
http://s22.postimg.org/a04rcvt75/Silver_Surfer_1988_009_15.jpg
http://s22.postimg.org/jagvgf3wx/Silver_Surfer_1988_009_16.jpg
http://s22.postimg.org/pa4mk2opd/Silver_Surfer_1988_009_18.jpg

And before you post your nonsense about how "a black hole nearly kills Surfer and Nova" go read SS Vol.3 #15 and #18 where Surfer (and later Nova) travel into that very same black hole unscathed.

Major Force isn't Silver Surfer. [/B]

You are clearly trolling.
Just because Surfer can absorb heat and energy doesn't mean he can do so unlimited. You have to show Surfer absorbing the amount of heat that the hv can generate. I listed scans of how powerful the hv can be. The onus is now on you to provide counter proof to show that Surfer can tank the hv without much trouble.

Also what high heralds have Surfer put down with blasts?

Originally posted by h1a8
You are clearly trolling.

😐

Originally posted by burrrrrr
😐

Originally posted by One-Punch
Absolutely false. That amp [b]wasn't permanent.

It was stated in the comic TWICE that Superman's powers went back to normal. Comics supersede ambiguous editor comments.

Hamilton confirms Superman's power is back to normal.

Later confirmed again by Martha.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

When Superman got his power-up it was made clear he no longer needed to breath in space, and can travel in space without worrying.
http://s12.postimg.org/4vlbwg9ct/P00079.jpg

After losing his power-up Superman needed to breath oxygen again. If his power-up was permanent he would've retained his ability not needing oxygen.

Needs the Motherbox to breathe in space.
http://s12.postimg.org/felblmc0t/P00168.jpg

Can only hold his breath for 2-3 hours:
http://s12.postimg.org/ksk3t61r1/P00055.jpg

Needs oxygen mask to breathe in space:
http://s12.postimg.org/z5djrhlr1/P00081.jpg
http://s12.postimg.org/ve3z5682l/P00084.jpg

Needs Kyle to create an oxygen mask for him in space:
http://s12.postimg.org/q056xmicd/P00087.jpg

Chokes from lack of air even though he's near the sun:
http://s12.postimg.org/l90q1v04d/P00092.jpg

Superman was consistently portrayed as needing oxygen all the way until he trained with Mongul to expand his lung capacity:
http://s12.postimg.org/9y2nr8in1/P00117.jpg

Like I said, comic books overrule amiguous editor comments, especially if the comments are directly contradicted by the comics. [/B]

Either way, he was at least as powerful as he was during Hunter Prey post Mongul training and then was far more powerful when he got powerful enough to tank and match the Omega Beams, which he couldn't do with the Kryptonite X amp, whether temporary or permanent.