Vitiate vs Sidious vs Luke (Force Only)

Started by Emperordmb12 pages

Maul Kun and Xanatos are all physically stronger than Vader, and all of the above and Set Harth are stronger than Sidious.

Seems legit 👆

Palpatine is a frail old man.

KEK.

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Originally posted by SunRazer
1. A vast majority. He's also discovered previously unknown powers and invented ones at his leisure. That's probably going to cover Drain.

Darth Sidious is undoubtedly one of the greatest masters of the Dark Side but it would be a stretch to assume that he is a master of each Force power ever devised. In spite of efforts of Darths Plagueis and Sidious, they could not uncover the entirety of ancient sources of knowledge; a vast number of valuable sources ended-up permanently destroyed in some destructive events during the course of the galactic history.

Even the exploits of long-lasting Sith entity (i.e. Vitiate) remained a mystery for years to come. Plagueis's knowledge of Vitiate's exploits was on the basic level; Sidious didn't had much luck in this regard either.

It shall also be kept in mind that Vitiate is officially stated to have explored the most sinister and uncharted depths of the Dark Side. He even acquired an artifact that could be used to conjure a Force Storm (Wormhole).

Originally posted by SunRazer
2. I never said he used anything like the Nathema ritual, which isn't relevant to this fight in the slightest. However, he knows Drain, and that's all that's needed. The point is that Sidious has studied from various Force users who have known Drain. There's no reason to suspect Sidious is incapable of using the power himself.

Nathema event is an example of experimentation with powers of the Dark Side (Force Drain powers in particular) unlike any other. If this event had been documented, a large number of Sith could tremendously benefit from such knowledge. Unfortunately, this experiment made the setting inhospitable and Vitiate went to great lengths to cover it.

Sidious certainly have knowledge of Force Drain powers, this was not my point of contention. But Sidious appears to have limited his practice to Drain Life Essence. It is unclear if Sidious practiced additional techniques in the spectrum of Force Drain insofar. At maximum, we would be relying on assumptions in this regard.

Vitiate, on the other hand, is a master of all expressions of Force Drain.

Originally posted by SunRazer
3. And Sidious isn't capable of using Death Field? He's inherited all the knowledge of the Banite Sith, meaning that what Bane knows, he knows. Besides, he has access to Bane's "Rule of Two' compendium in his Book of Sith, so yeah, he knows how to use Drain. And Bane's shortcomings won't be relevant to him.

Didn't Darth Gravid's actions resulted in loss of lot of compiled stuff?

Originally posted by SunRazer
How do you propose Vitiate would win the first round, by the way? Because summoning a Death Field on short notice would be great against Meetra/Revan/Scourge, a trio which Vitiate was genuinely wary of.

Indeed...

Vitiate was confident that he would destroy this Strike Team; this is even explicitly stated in the source in its final chapter.

If the situation demands heavy measures, I see no reason for Vitiate to not resort to his most potent techniques to address the problem. Case in point is Vitiate's action against a Sith Strike Team led by Darth Lokess (essentially an entire Dark Council), an opposition that is logically too much to handle with normal approaches.

Who do you guys think would die first in a confrontation like this? And I'm not asking who is the weakest but who'd perform the worst or fail to survive as long as their adversaries in a triple threat?

In Force only? Probably Luke.

You grossly underestimate the power of the Light Side.

Luke throws a blackhole at them. Sidious Force storms them. Vitiate gets eaten alive.