Planned Parenthood CEO Pounded

Started by Time-Immemorial7 pages

"The Facts

Background

The controversy over mammograms has gone on for many years, particularly after a 2011 interview of Richards with Joy Behar on HLN. Referring to a proposal in Congress to pull federal subsidies for Planned Parenthood, Richards said: “What’s going to happen as a result of this is, if this bill ever becomes law, millions of women in this country are going to lose their health care access — not to abortion services, but basic family planning. You know, mammograms, cancer screenings, cervical cancer.”

Conservative activists jumped at this answer, saying that Richards falsely claimed that the organization offers mammograms. Planned Parenthood immediately denied that, saying it offers referrals, not actual mammography.

Her critics have now resurfaced this video, saying her denial at the hearing that Planned Parenthood offers mammograms is a flip-flop from her 2011 claim. We reviewed the transcript and the video, and found that Richards’s answer can be interpreted both ways. She does not directly say the organization offers mammograms.

Yet the dispute over whether Planned Parenthood offers mammograms continued. It came up again during the 2012 presidential campaign when President Obama asserted that women “rely” on the organization for mammograms or that it “provides” mammograms. Obama received Three Pinocchios for repeatedly using misleading words, which suggested an intentional attempt to mislead voters about Planned Parenthood’s services. Planned Parenthood released a statement at the time that it gives referrals and financial help for mammograms.

Current debate

Mammograms have come to symbolize whether Planned Parenthood is a health-care organization that does cancer screenings, as supporters say — or a front for an organization that is mainly an abortion provider masquerading as a reproductive health organization, as opponents say. Democrats point to mammograms, as an example of a service that women can have access to via Planned Parenthood. Republicans seeking to defund Planned Parenthood show that since it doesn’t offer mammography X-rays, federal funding should be diverted to federally qualified health-care clinics that actually do.

Planned Parenthood’s annual report shows it gave 487,029 breast exam services for women in 2013. This is a clinical breast exam, checking for changes or lumps in women’s breasts. If the doctor finds something abnormal or worth checking out, the patient is referred for a mammogram, which requires X-rays given at a licensed radiology facility. Planned Parenthood does administer Pap tests and HPV tests, both of which screen for cervical cancer.

Richards said during the hearing that Planned Parenthood clinics do not have mammogram machines. The Federal Drug Administration’s list, updated weekly, of certified mammography facilities does not list any Planned Parenthood clinics. Some Planned Parenthood affiliates host free mammography mobile vans for low-income and uninsured women.

Despite the ongoing emphasis on Planned Parenthood’s mammogram referrals, this service does not reflect the core clients of the organization — certainly not clients in the reproductive age or have the highest rate of first-time abortions. Mammograms are recommended once a year for women 40 to 49, and every other year for women 50 to 74 years. Referrals are less commonly made for women under 40.

In 2013, about 7 percent of Planned Parenthood clients were women over 40 years old. This figure has remained steady over the past few years, according to the organization. So, when people talk about Planned Parenthood clients who need mammography referrals the most, they are referring to a small percentage of total patients.

Further, less than 3 percent of the breast exams offered at Planned Parenthood resulted in mammography referrals. Out of 487,029 breast exams in 2013, about 14,000 resulted in a client referral for mammography and other specialized providers, according to Planned Parenthood.

Proponents argue that defunding Planned Parenthood would mean women would lose “access” — the key word — to mammograms. The argument is that pulling federal funding — the majority of which is through Medicaid reimbursements for low-income women — means fewer women would use Planned Parenthood for family planning or reproductive care. As a result, fewer women would get free or low-cost breast exams, which could lead to mammography referrals.

On the other side, opponents argue federally qualified health centers can absorb what Planned Parenthood does – a point that is still in question (we explored this in another fact check) and that money should be directed to centers that actually do mammograms. A recent study in the Journal of Women’s Health found that about two-third of these centers in 2012 offered mammography. However, the breast cancer screening rates at these centers were lower than the national average, and offering screening was most effective in urban or white counties.

Maloney, other Democratic lawmakers and Richards say that women have “access” to mammograms through Planned Parenthood. As we noted in 2012, we recommend using terminology that clearly show Planned Parenthood does referrals, rather than actual mammograms. “Access” is still a slippery word as it can be misconstrued, but it is more accurate than “provides.”

Maloney said in a statement: “Anyone who has ever had a routine well woman visit understands that after a breast exam, a doctor may refer a woman to a radiologist for a mammogram. In her testimony, Cecile Richards made it clear that is exactly what Planned Parenthood does, and that’s precisely what I was referring to. Attempts to split hairs on this issue ignores the more important point: many women would not have access to mammograms without Planned Parenthood. Many Planned Parenthood clinics hosts visits by mobile-mammogram vans, and help women find grants to pay for mammograms so that they can afford these services.”

Maloney said in a statement: “Anyone who has ever had a routine well woman visit understands that after a breast exam, a doctor may refer a woman to a radiologist for a mammogram. In her testimony, Cecile Richards made it clear that is exactly what Planned Parenthood does, and that’s precisely what I was referring to. Attempts to split hairs on this issue ignores the more important point: many women would not have access to mammograms without Planned Parenthood. Many Planned Parenthood clinics hosts visits by mobile-mammogram vans, and help women find grants to pay for mammograms so that they can afford these services.”

Seems reasonable. Basically the same point I made.

This part is interesting

"Many Planned Parenthood clinics hosts visits by mobile-mammogram vans, and help women find grants to pay for mammograms so that they can afford these services.”

They find grants? What about all the money they receive from the government? Are they too busy flying on private jets and spending that money they cant provide pay for these themselves???

This company is beyond ****ed up.

yeah bardock, but obama spoke a mistruth in suggesting that all planned parenthood locations provide them. so thats the new topic because we have to pretend that the thread topic's validity wasnt just blown into teeny tiny pieces.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
yeah bardock, but obama spoke a mistruth in suggesting that all planned parenthood locations provide them. so thats the new topic because we have to pretend that the thread topic wasnt just blown into teeny tiny pieces.

You mean like when the grand jury said there was no wrong doing of officer wilson yet people here still say there is?

You have a way of even spinning positive things to fit your negative view.

Even your sources basically say Planned Parenthood provides valuable services to communities.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
yeah bardock, but obama spoke a mistruth in suggesting that all planned parenthood locations provide them. so thats the new topic because we have to pretend that the thread topic's validity wasnt just blown into teeny tiny pieces.

Quit blaming Obama, this has nothing to do with him. We know he is ignorant to most things, no one can blame him.

This article said nothing about them providing or paying for them, they offer hosting from other companies and then "help" the people get grants to pay for them.

Did you miss that?

i will not entertain you until you acknowledge that your original assertions of criminal wrongdoing have been destroyed.

Funny others have different opinions of outcomes resulting in no criminal wrong doing yet those are valid.

I never said PP had criminal wrong doing, mind backing that up?

it's implied given your enthusiastic celebration of PP being investigated for criminal wrongdoing.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial

I never said PP had criminal wrong doing, mind backing that up?

Okay

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
No one makes an apology for no wrong doing. She was dead wrong, the evidence outside the videos prove they are knee deep in filth.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Your acting so desperate because you know what they are doing is wrong.

I didn't make the video, so I didn't lie about anything.

Nice try at the whole "you lied on the internet" assault.

You do know I don't fall for your pathetic games though.

Did you mention anything at all about their lavish lifesetyles in your post, no you didn't. Your doing the same thing with PP that you did for Hilary.

Guess what it didn't work then and it isn't working now.

Caught ya👆

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
http://www.lifenews.com/2015/07/14/shock-video-catches-planned-parenthoods-top-doctor-selling-body-parts-of-aborted-babies/

Their top doctor has been exposed for selling aborted babies bodyparts which is highly illegal.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f11/t614939.html

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Congress is going to defund PP, so I doubt this goes anywhere and if it does, will be tired up in litigation for years and nothing will come of it. 😆

Obviously congress does not think it was a waste of time, unless you assume they are acting blindly off just a video and not their own investigation.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Braddock, You still glossed over OP they are selling body parts for profit which is illegal.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Abortion is legal but what PP is doing is illegal.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
it's implied given your enthusiastic celebration of PP being investigated for criminal wrongdoing.

You can be morally bankrupt but not have committed a crime. This is obvious.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Okay

holy ****

will it be more flips, or will it be 'abandon thread'?

This pretty much says my opinion.

http://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/the-sale-of-fetal-body-parts-is-gruesomebut-its-also-legal

While it might be legal its morally bankrupt.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
holy ****

will it be more flips, or will it be 'abandon thread'?

He's currently "ignoring" me for the day, so this post is more for anyone else to point and laugh rather than to make him see the error of his ways (but feel free to use it).

more flips, then.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
more flips, then.

You didn't even read it or you would not have said that.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You didn't even read it or you would not have said that.

bardock posted quotes which clearly show you asserting that PP was guilty of criminal wrongdoing. and of course you ignored it. 👆

so no, i will not reward your rudeness by entertaining you further. goodbye.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
bardock posted quotes which clearly show you asserting that PP was guilty of criminal wrongdoing. and of course you ignored it. 👆

so no, i will not reward your rudeness by entertaining you. goodbye.

I thought they were guilty of wrong doing, much like Bardock thought Wilson was guilty of wrong doing but was not. Caught ya having a double standard.

Happy to see you can't be objective though.

I have already spoken to bardock and said we will no longer be speaking, so I didn't ignore anything, he does not exist to me anymore, for the sake of the forum. I wont add gas to the fire anymore because of our personal blood feud.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i will not entertain you until you acknowledge that your original assertions of criminal wrongdoing have been destroyed.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
[...]I never said PP had criminal wrong doing, mind backing that up?

*washes hands*