Originally posted by Bardock42
We also need people to have basic scientific understanding including one of the most well proven Biological theories, in order for society to flourish.The same reason to discount evolution can apply to anything.
very true
i myself believe in the theory as i find in todays societies we turn to science to have the answers since religion does not always
If you ever plan on getting a job in a biology related field, having knowledge of evolution is definitely useful to have.
Fighting diseases, understanding parasites and how the immune system reacts, a lot of that is informed by our knowledge of evolution.
Actually studying animals and such, discovering new ones, and understanding their classifications, likewise.
A nation with schools that did not teach evolution would fall behind in some very major fields. That's just practical terms.
Originally posted by Q99
There's belief that things can be tested and based on evidence at all.If you don't have that, well, then you can arbitrarily believe in anything.
But once you've gotten that step, you can go expecting and wanting something to be totally wrong and finding it right, you can go in expecting and wanting something to be right and finding it false, and the tests, the *evidence*, doesn't care what your beliefs are going in as long as you actually do the tests.
Originally posted by psmith81992
It's amusing that your own answers or lack thereof makes you gravitate towards the idea that god is a myth.
You seem to think that I don't believe in God because I lack answers to what are some very basic questions.
But I don't believe simply because it has never been proven. That is the definition of a myth. If there was a clear answer in the bible as to why God made us curious by nature but also demands faith..it wouldn't suddenly make me think God is real. God is in the exact same category as people like Zeus or Poseidon.
You behave as if his existence is fact and yet for that to be the case we'd need concrete evidence. I don't think even the most loyal religious person would think we have anything that qualifies as scientific evidence for the existence of God. The best I've seen people come up with is "the universe is like..totally unique and special, how could this not be done on purpose?"
You seem to think that I don't believe in God because I lack answers to what are some very basic questions.
But I don't believe simply because it has never been proven. That is the definition of a myth.
Btw, here are the definitions for myth, none of which are applicable here:
myth
miTH/Submit
noun
1.
a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.
synonyms: folk tale, folk story, legend, tale, story, fable, saga, mythos, lore, folklore, mythology
"ancient Greek myths"
2.
a widely held but false belief or idea.
You behave as if his existence is fact and yet for that to be the case we'd need concrete evidence.
Originally posted by psmith81992
The giving of the Torah that was witnessed not just by Jews, but by all other people, etc. You're simply saying "I wasn't there or it was too long ago for any kind of proof, therefore it's a myth."
Just wondering, do we actually have any primary sources of the Torah being given to Jews outside of the Torah?
"Myth n 1.
(Classical Myth & Legend) a. a story about superhuman beings of an earlier age taken by preliterate society to be a true account, usually of how natural phenomena, social customs, etc, came into existence b. another word for mythology 1 , mythology 3
2.
A person or thing whose existence is fictional or unproven
3.
(Literary & Literary Critical Terms) (in modern literature) a theme or character type embodying an idea: Hemingway's myth of the male hero.
4.
(Philosophy) philosophy (esp in the writings of Plato) an allegory or parable"
So, the story of god as we know it is, by definition, a myth.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Both Christianity and Islam acknowledge the Mt. Sinai event.
Well, yeah, but you see how that's not really a very good source, right? Since they are basically off-shoots of Judaism. Are there any not biased, and particularly primary sources that acknowledge that event? Because as far as I can tell both Christianity and Islam have come many hundred years later and really just use the same source and say it's true.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, yeah, but you see how that's not really a very good source, right? Since they are basically off-shoots of Judaism. Are there any not biased, and particularly primary sources that acknowledge that event? Because as far as I can tell both Christianity and Islam have come many hundred years later and really just use the same source and say it's true.
I don't know, I'll google it.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Oh sure it has, just certain events that were deemed God are now called science (not that I'm refuting science). The giving of the Torah that was witnessed not just by Jews, but by all other people, etc. You're simply saying "I wasn't there or it was too long ago for any kind of proof, therefore it's a myth."
None of what you just said proved the existence of God. I'm not saying this because I wasn't there, I'm saying this because there isn't any actual proof. Now..might there of been some historical truth to some of the stuff mentioned in the bible? Sure, but that doesn't mean it shows God existed.
No, I behave as though I believe in his existence, and neither his existence nor lack thereof has been proven on any level, so when you spout words like "myth", you come off as ignorant.
If you want to make the claim something is real you need proof.
You literally just said "oh sure it has" in response to me saying God hasn't been proven. You then label me as ignorant without the slightest hint of irony.
None of what you just said proved the existence of God. I'm not saying this because I wasn't there, I'm saying this because there isn't any actual proof. Now..might there of been some historical truth to some of the stuff mentioned in the bible? Sure, but that doesn't mean it shows God existed.
If you want to make the claim something is real you need proof.
You literally just said "oh sure it has" in response to me saying God hasn't been proven. You then label me as ignorant without the slightest hint of irony.
I'm not going to keep arguing the same shit over and over with you atheistic fools because it's pointless. You just keep repeating the same shit over and over without showing a shred of proof to back up your ridiculous claims. Evolution is nothing but a "scientific" (LOL) theory. Nothing else. The entire theory of evolution is based on nothing but unfounded and unwarranted assumptions because scientists who support it are horrified at the alternative to evolution theory. I suggest you check out a book by Stephen A Khoch called "The Assumptions Behind the Theory of Evolution". It will open your eyes. You can pick it up on Amazon but it's a bit pricey. If you don't have the money then you can download an abridged version for free. Just do a google search for it. The guy isn't a scientist but he doesn't use the Bible either in his arguments. He's totally unbiased.
And, do you really think a God would lower Himself to have offspring with the offspring of an ape? Even if she was a true virgin (as Mary was)?Anyone who believes such nonsense might as well be spitting in His face. That's how much of an insult it is to Him. Sorry,but no, I will never believe that no matter what ANY of you or ANY "scientist" says. Mary was a descendant of Adam and Eve not some animal. 👆