Originally posted by Star428
The earth is billions of years old, of course. I'm not denying that but God didn't create Adam and Eve until approximately 4000 b.c..
There's settlements older than that....
And let's push that bit off to the side for a minute. Put humans in the 'poof' box, so to speak.
There's the vast evidence of evolution in everything else, both ancient and recent.
Like, the London Underground Mosquito's developed into a new species with different characteristics from it's source in the last few centuries. Even in young-earth, life-for-only-thousands-of-years you'd have evolution.
The existence of evolution is not reliant on how much time is spent evolving.
Any more than the existence of plate tectonics is reliant on how long the earth has been around- if the earth had poofed into existence last year, you'd still have earthquakes, volcanos, and slight continental movement. Ditto for evolution.
Quan, why don't you stick to trolling in the CBvF and the MvF since you obviously don't know what you're talking about on this subject? There is no vampire Viktor for you to exalt in the religion forum so why do u care so much about it? I'm not entertaining any of your replies anyway (nor any of the other trolling atheist posters really) so you're just wasting your time.
Originally posted by psmith81992
The ant eater.. That is all.
That's a good one.
One example I like is orchids, because they change relatively easily, but also hang onto traits.
Most orchids do not have spongy roots- and for an obvious reason, they provide no benefit for orchids in the soil.
Some orchids, however, grow on trees, and have spongy roots, which collect rainwater much better. Makes sense so far, right?
Then there's also some orchids that are on the ground, but has spongy roots... and have other traits that show they're closer related to the tree ones.
Or in other words, what happens is we have species of orchids who live entirely on the ground with a trait they don't need on the ground, which fairly obviously, comes from them being descended from ones that grew in trees, but came back down to the soil at some point.
So you can have three species, all similar but distinct, two soil dwelling, one tree dwelling, with a clear progression between them.
In some cases, the tree ancestor has gone extinct but neither soil dweller does, so you see two similar species living right near each other, one with spongy roots that don't seem to do anything special and one without, and unless you study, it just seems kinda odd, but once you know the history it makes perfect sense.
More recently, we gained the ability to check the DNA, and get independent confirmation telling us that's what happens.
Originally posted by Star428
Then I don't know what to tell u ,Bentley.. I can't help u if you're so set on thinking that not believing in divine creation is no big deal. THere's nothing to discuss here. We're done. God/Christ/THe Word created the universe. THat's not some minor insignificant detail to Christianity. It's HUGE. Anyone who believes in the lie of evolution has either been deceived or they are just stubborn and they will burn in Hell for denying that God created the universe.
Again, when you say it like this is as if you expected Christ (who died for our sins) to send you to hell based in the results of a history quiz.
Originally posted by Star428You are constantly proven incorrect on pretty much every ignorant thing you say. You can't even answer my questions. Why do human beings feel pain ? Your idea of a never ending eternity of torment makes no sense and is contradicted by your own dual sided religion. Let's discuss things though because every time evidence is presented you just spout more nonsense and won't answer any questions. It's painfully obvious you don't know the answers.
Quan, why don't you stick to trolling in the CBvF and the MvF since you obviously don't know what you're talking about on this subject? There is no vampire Viktor for you to exalt in the religion forum so why do u care so much about it? I'm not entertaining any of your replies anyway so you're just wasting your time.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You are constantly proven incorrect on pretty much every ignorant thing you say. You can't even answer my questions. Why do human beings feel pain ? Your idea of a never ending eternity of torment makes no sense and is contradicted by your own dual sided religion. Let's discuss things though because every time evidence is presented you just spout more nonsense and won't answer any questions. It's painfully obvious you don't know the answers.
Or you could use proper threads and PMs to deal with those off topic things?
I've heard those work too 😖hifty:
Originally posted by Bentley
Again, when you say it like this is as if you expected Christ (who died for our sins) to send you to hell based in the results of a history quiz.
Don't put words in my mouth, Bentley. I never said or implied that and your pathetic attempts at trying to confuse me are starting to annoy me because I"m beginning to think you're one of those who're deliberately trying to deceive believers. I have no patience for people like that. You did say u were Catholic didn't u? Is that why you're trying so hard to attack what I consider to be extremely important? I'm beginning to think Catholics are just as bad as their "leader" now in trying to deceive people.
You will never convince me that believing in creationism as opposed to evolution is not an extremely important part of being Christian, Bentley, so I don't understand why you're persisting in continuing to bring it up unless it's just to try and upset me or make me question my beliefs. I regard that as an insult to my intelligence and willpower when someone thinks they can make me change what I strongly believe in. Just a friendly reminder.
Originally posted by Star428
You did say u were Catholic didn't u? Is that why you're trying so hard to attack what I consider to be extremely important? I'm beginning to think Catholics are just as bad as their "leader" now in trying to deceive people.
No, actually I'm trying to understand exactly your stance. Don't take my questions and interjections as some gesture to shoot down your beliefs, that'd be a horrible misdeed from me and I'm very much aware of that. My expression can sound more aggresive that I actually intend it to be.
What I want is to further my understanding of my own beliefs by inspiring and knowing those of others. If I don't hold this kind of discussion there is little opportunity. Anyways, I always try to keep things intellectually honest, if I slip here and there I beg you to call me on my mistakes!
Originally posted by Star428
You will never convince me that believing in creationism as opposed to evolution is not an extremely important part of being Christian, Bentley, so I don't understand why you're persisting in continuing to bring it up unless it's just to try and upset me or make me question my beliefs. I regard that as an insult to my intelligence and willpower when someone thinks they can make me change what I strongly believe in. Just a friendly reminder.
No problem man. For me believing that God created the universe it's fundamental, as you said. The belief on evolution is irrelevant for salvation (unless it attacks a more important article of faith) so I wouldn't put it in the same level. I'm aware than between those general lines there are a wide arrange of beliefs and convictions, my intention isn't to sort them out as better or worse between them.
Edit: The quiz part was a joke, I felt that it was self-evident but I can be bad at reading the mood 😛
"Why is the theory of evolution considered a threat by certain Christians?"
kinda simple kinda not
in reality christians had ALOT of power in medieval times due to the poor/ most being unable to read and the "scholarly" monks could. the bible was seen and praised as a gateway to heaven which is what most people wanted. this gained movement and the power of the church grew. "God is divine as he made man with no equal" i THIINK is the quote , if god is divine and we are created in his image then we ourselves are by extention also divine. evolution saying we are ancestored with monkeys tends to put off this idea or want to believe that we are divine.
^this is the historical view [ in sense]
nowdays christians against evolution can simply be from deep rooted beliefs instilled on them. its kinda like morals, you sometimes can't explain why something is wrong but you believe it is wrong all the same
Originally posted by psmith81992
Yes lol.. But I do like to bring up the ant eater as a "WTF" to evolution.If anyone wants a reconciliation of "7 days of creation" and the age of the universe, listen to lectures from Dr. Gerald Schroeder.
Do you think the ant eater actually is a WTF for Evolution though?