Originally posted by Bashar TegNo, most people would call that presenting evidence that is either inconsistent with the premise or doesn't even address it. Belief in creationism doesn't indicate fear of science. Belief in creationism doesn't mean rejection of science.
huh...most would call that 'presenting evidence'.
Originally posted by Bashar TegSaying x and getting evidence for C doesn't compute, no matter how much you want it to validate the topic. I've explained exactly how one can read the findings. If you're desperate to make a connection, go ahead and try. But reading something and claiming it's "clearly" evidence is incorrect. Furthermore, screaming "semantics" each time there is opposition severely weakens your stance.
your challenge was clearly met with valid evidence. retorting with semantics games about it not containing the word "fear" is very childish. especially since you are the only one trying to shoehorn the word into the topic when it was not there to begin with.
Originally posted by psmith81992actually it says 40 something percent believe "god created humans in present form." in other words, no evolution involved. those who believe that humans evolved with god guiding the evolution are included in a different group. so you are wrong. the poll specifically is about the % of americans who believe in evolution.
No, most people would call that presenting evidence that is either inconsistent with the premise or doesn't even address it. Belief in creationism doesn't indicate fear of science. Belief in creationism doesn't mean rejection of science.
belief that god created humanity in its present form absolutely does indicate a rejection of evolutionary theory. you are either ignorant of evolutionary theory or you are being dishonest by suggesting otherwise.
"what if there's a huge group within creationists who are totally cool with public school science classes teaching evolution theory...i mean...there is definately a significant group within creationists who are totally cool withpublic school science classes teaching evolution theory. your evidence is invalid."
Originally posted by psmith81992
No, most people would call that presenting evidence that is either inconsistent with the premise or doesn't even address it. Belief in creationism doesn't indicate fear of science. Belief in creationism doesn't mean rejection of science.
Exactly, and anybody who claims that any Christian who believes in creationism also by default automatically "fears science" (LOL) is clearly trolling. God created science, all of you atheistic fools. Just as He created nature. Christians have no reason to fear either one. Evolution is not science though. It's a lie. Gravity is science, physics is science, chemistry is science, biology is science. Evolution is not no matter how many times you fools claim it is.
Yes, paleontology is science but it has never shown one shred of proof of evolution. Never. That's why evolution is only a "theory" and nothing more. 👆
Re: Why is the theory of evolution considered a threat by so many Christians?
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
obvious troll thread on the topic was understandably closed, but it did generate a lot of heated discussion on this topic...so i thought this forum could do with a non-troll version of the thread.to start, i've conversed with many christians who feel that the theory of evolution does not contradict their faith. they tend to ascribe this position to the belief that certain passages were metaphorical in nature. for example the notion that the earth was not actually created in 6 days, nor that "created in his own image" actually meant that god has a human face, arms, legs, penis, etc.
on the opposite side i see a group of people who seem to shun scientific theory in general, seemingly to protect their spirituality. these are the people i mostly want to hear from. to them i ask the question:
[b]what threat would a universal acceptance of evolution pose for christianity, and how do you feel it goes against the teachings/ethics/morality of the new testament?
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People who take the bible literally have a problem with evolution because it contradicts their beliefs. But it is more then just that; evolution is fact, then they know it. That is what makes it a threat. Otherwise why would they care?
Originally posted by Mindset
It's 2015 and people still believe in evolution. 😂
... because evidence for it has only increased in time, and no alternate model has been proposed that fits the evidence or has predictive power.
One of the nice things about evolution is you can say, "Hm, here's this fossil, here's a much older fossil.... now, judging from these two, there should be an in-between species right around... here," and it actually works.
They've found species this way.
And, well, DNA evidence really confirms it. Both the interrelation, and change.
I always wonder, the non-evolution-believers, considering we all know DNA gets mixed up every generation, what mechanism do you think exists to prevent change?
Originally posted by Star428
God created science, all of you atheistic fools. Just as He created nature. Christians have no reason to fear either one. Evolution is not science though. It's a lie. Gravity is science, physics is science, chemistry is science, biology is science. Evolution is not no matter how many times you fools claim it is.
Evolution is biology, and we understand it better than we understand gravity.
Seriously, we don't actually understand gravity all that well.
Evolution is, in short, "Life changes and changes get passed on." That's not exactly radical, and it's easily proven. It's been demonstrated in labs. There's species that have evolved in very recent time- the London Underground Mosquito is an example of what happens when you take something with a very short life cycle (multiple generations a year), and put it in an environment where it both breeds faster and is isolated from the wider original population. It can no longer successfully breed with it's nearest relative, who's genes we can check and tell that they are very close, just no longer close enough.
We also have species that clearly evolved for specific circumstances, that no longer exist, and are thus dying out.
Since you believe God created science, why do you have so much problem believing evolution is within that?
It's incredibly well documented, with evidence of a very wide variety of sorts. Study of living creatures, fossils, DNA, etc..
We encounter it in short term even via stuff like antibiotic resistant diseases, and see it written long term over millions and millions of years even in the slowest-changing species.
Heck, simply copying how evolution works in programming form creates programs that alter and change in ways very similar to animals (if much, much simpler than animals), evolutionary algorithms work.
Originally posted by Surtur
He has said before why he has a problem with it: because it's not in the bible. I'm being completely serious too.
The Atomic Weak Force isn't in the Bible either, but you can still die of radiation poisoning.
Heck, is magnetism in the Bible? I don't think it's mentioned once....
There's categories of life not mentioned but we still have samples of, because they weren't remotely relevant, but obviously still exist.
The Bible isn't even supposed to be a 'list of everything exists period.'
It strikes me as presumptuous to say that science is real and gods, except for this one part that one doesn't like, and excusing it from god's realm based on that. I don't think people are supposed to say God's stuff isn't God's?
belief that god created humanity in its present form absolutely does indicate a rejection of evolutionary theory. you are either ignorant of evolutionary theory or you are being dishonest by suggesting otherwise.
Here you go:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/30/5-facts-about-evolution-and-religion/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution
https://biologos.org/blogs/archive/what-do-most-christians-really-believe-about-evolution
Oh, here's another one from the big cheese.
I believe in creationism. I also believe in evolution (5th-6th biblical day). The two do not contradict. So while nobody is arguing the validity of your poll, the argument seems to be the conclusion you're making from it.
Yep we atheists are fools for not worshipping a mass murderer.
Here's pretty much the physicist-scientist reaction to comparing our understanding of gravity and evolution:
Evolution, we have nice and steadily improving models. It's very complex so it can be a bit like predicting the weather, but we understand most of the forces involved, even if the interactions can sometimes surprise us. We know what determines features, and what causes those determining factors to change.
Gravity, we have some stuff but it trails off into ???, ?!?, !!!, and "Ok, *something* has to be wrong here..." depending on what direction you go into.
Beneath a certain scale, the equations we use simply don't work right with the equations of other forces we understand better.
On our scale of 'understanding stuff,' 1 to 10, if Evolution's an 8, gravity is, like, a 3.
Due to the fact that every living thing is evidence for evolution- as in, not just in a vague way, but if you study it's DNA and features you'll encounter clear signs of how it's changed- it's one of the more heavily proven bits of science.
Originally posted by Q99👆
Here's pretty much the physicist-scientist reaction to comparing our understanding of gravity and evolution:Evolution, we have nice and steadily improving models. It's very complex so it can be a bit like predicting the weather, but we understand most of the forces involved, even if the interactions can sometimes surprise us. We know what determines features, and what causes those determining factors to change.
Gravity, we have some stuff but it trails off into ???, ?!?, !!!, and "Ok, *something* has to be wrong here..." depending on what direction you go into.
Beneath a certain scale, the equations we use simply don't work right with the equations of other forces we understand better.
On our scale of 'understanding stuff,' 1 to 10, if Evolution's an 8, gravity is, like, a 3.
Due to the fact that every living thing is evidence for evolution- as in, not just in a vague way, but if you study it's DNA and features you'll encounter clear signs of how it's changed- it's one of the more heavily proven bits of science.
Well you again just touched on why some people have a problem with it. In the bible God specifically created us, but with evolution all you could say is God created the primitive life that eventually evolved into humans over a very long period of time.
On top of that it makes humans seem not very significant.