Originally posted by Nemesis X
Wasn't trying to but from how it sounded, that university in Oregon didn't have as much security as one would've thought. Teachers at least should be allowed to carry a firearm for they would be more trusting with one than a student.
Except for the times when teachers shoot people.
Originally posted by Nemesis X
How would you define it? How would you keep someone from taking advantage of it?
These are odd questions. There has been gun control laws for centuries, this is not an unsolved issue. And you would punish those who have illegal guns and confiscate them. In time it would decrease the ready availability of guns.
Originally posted by Bardock42
These are odd questions. There has been gun control laws for centuries, this is not an unsolved issue. And you would punish those who have illegal guns and confiscate them. In time it would decrease the ready availability of guns.
While borders are open? You think the Australians, when they enacted gun control, left theirs open?
Originally posted by Bardock42
No, not back and forth, just to Mexico. Again, this is not a good argument against gun control.
When criminals can't get guns at the stores, where do you think the weapons come from?
Look, the point here being is you enact gun control in the US, you're gonna be left with the criminal civilians owning firearms.
Originally posted by Nemesis X
When criminals can't get guns at the stores, where do you think the weapons come from?Look, the point here being is you enact gun control in the US, you're gonna be left with the criminal civilians owning firearms.
Initially you will have the civilians who a) break the law to have guns or b) want to perpetrate crimes with guns with them, that's correct (both groups already have guns however, so it doesn't make that worse in any way). However, over time, as the prevalence of guns decreases it will be harder and harder for criminals (or civilians who want to have guns) to attain guns. Gun violence will go down, quicker in the cases of rampages, somewhat slower for organized crime and gangs...but it will go down nonetheless.
Originally posted by Nemesis X
Wasn't trying to but from how it sounded, that university in Oregon didn't have as much security as one would've thought. Teachers at least should be allowed to carry a firearm for they would be more trusting with one than a student.
Originally posted by Nemesis X
When criminals can't get guns at the stores, where do you think the weapons come from?Look, the point here being is you enact gun control in the US, you're gonna be left with the criminal civilians owning firearms.
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Yep. While the law-abiding citizens are left defenseless. We've already seen how banning guns in "gun-free" cities (like Chicago) have worked out "oh, so well". 🙄
Chicago has less a gun problem and more a gang problem.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
We have security and cops for a reason, we don't need armed students. Please don't try to lecture me on how a university should function.
Bold on if you don't think students should be armed then why does the law saying they can't be armed terrify you?
Originally posted by Star428People keep using this argument but there is no data to support it.
👆Yep. While the law-abiding citizens are left defenseless. We've already seen how banning guns in "gun-free" cities (like Chicago) have worked out "oh, so well". 🙄
In countries where heavy or full gun control laws have been enacted we don't see the criminal element raising up and controlling the civilians. In fact gun crime tends to go down and other types of crime don't tend to go up.
So the argument of you're only preventing people from being able to protect themselves just seems to be a chest beating cry that is not grounded in reality.
LOL. The point still stands. You can't dismiss it by saying "Oh, but that a gang problem. It doesn't really count". 🙄
It's pathetic how u libs try and downplay everything that doesn't support your ridiculous arguments. If anything, the fact that gangs still carry their guns despite the gun restriction laws in Chicago, actually supports my point. 👆