Originally posted by Surtur
Chicago has less a gun problem and more a gang problem.Bold on if you don't think students should be armed then why does the law saying they can't be armed terrify you?
Originally posted by Star428It's funny how you only use Chicago because it is about the only data point that even vaguely supports your claim. Everywhere else the opposite seems to happen. Obama's claim was true when he said that states with the most restrictive gun laws tend to have less gun crime and death than those with less restrictive gun control.
LOL. The point still stands. You can't dismiss it by saying "Oh, but that a gang problem. It doesn't really count". 🙄It's pathetic how u libs try and downplay everything that doesn't support your ridiculous arguments. If anything, the fact that gangs still carry their guns despite the gun restriction laws in Chicago, actually supports my point. 👆
In fact the states with the highest gun crimes/deaths are those that tend to tank low in gun control laws and restrictions.
It's like you're holding unto the outlier despite all the other more numerous points of data that don't support your claim.
Originally posted by Time-ImmemorialFirst of all Chicago isn't a state it is a city but trend holds true for cities as well. Secondly how does it change what I said.
Dead wrong in fact jack. Chicago has the worst gun violence in America and has the strictest gun laws.No amount of liberal bs'ing will get you out of that one.
Those with higher gun crime rates tend to be those with less restrictive gun laws. Those with lower gun crimes tend to be those with more restrictive gun control laws.
And when get to the country scale it becomes even more one sided. Countries with more restrictive gun control laws have a vastly lower gun crime rate than the US. The also have a lower violent crime rate.
You can keep pointing at Chicago but it doesn't change the facts that the majority of data points your stance is wrong and has been mostly disproven. It's like you're trying to say albino's are the natural skin tone for people but when people point out that the vast majority of data shows that albino's are not the natural skin tone you keep pointing to an albino friend of yours and saying nah ah this one albino proves my point.
Just because Chicago might be the exception doesn't make it the norm in fact most data shows that places with more gun restrictions tend to experience lower gun crime rates.
Originally posted by Time-ImmemorialHow am I wrong the data literally supports my claims because those claims have come from a larger sample size than one city.
Wrong again.No amount of bs'ing is going to change the facts.
Sorry but it won't work pal.
Let me ask you. Do you disagree that there are a number of European countries that that have less gun violence/less violent crime than the USA even though they have stricter guns laws than us?
Do disagree that the the states/cities with the higher gun restrictions often times have lower gun crime and death? Or that that states/cities with lower gun restrictions tend to have higher gun related death and crime? Because all of these statements are supported by data and facts.
Originally posted by Newjak
How am I wrong the data literally supports my claims because those claims have come from a larger sample size than one city.Let me ask you. Do you disagree that there are a number of European countries that that have less gun violence/less violent crime than the USA even though they have stricter guns laws than us?
Do disagree that the the states/cities with the higher gun restrictions often times have lower gun crime and death? Or that that states/cities with lower gun restrictions tend to have higher gun related death and crime? Because all of these statements are supported by data and facts.
Yes. I disagree. Cause your facts are WRONG! They come from very biased sources.
Originally posted by Newjak
How am I wrong the data literally supports my claims because those claims have come from a larger sample size than one city.Let me ask you. Do you disagree that there are a number of European countries that that have less gun violence/less violent crime than the USA even though they have stricter guns laws than us?
Do disagree that the the states/cities with the higher gun restrictions often times have lower gun crime and death? Or that that states/cities with lower gun restrictions tend to have higher gun related death and crime? Because all of these statements are supported by data and facts.
Keep trying to get the spot light off Chicago..won't work.
Originally posted by Time-ImmemorialSo you won't answer my questions... I can only assume because you don't want to admit that if truthfully answered the above questions it wouldn't look good for your stance about more restrictive gun laws empowering criminals to do more gun violence.
Keep trying to get the spot light off Chicago..won't work.