Wonder Woman vs Morg...

Wonder Woman vs Super girl.

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Wonder Woman dance around her punches and ties her up before she could react. Supergirl even comments on how fast WW is. Hell, before this fight, Supergirl was able to keep up with Flash (will post later)...

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She brings up Wonder Woman speed again.

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And Wonder Woman takes her out.

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Supergirl fight against Flash that lasted less than a second.

She even knees him.

But again, Wonder Woman was too fast for her. If speed has anything to do with this, Morg gets tied up in no time like Diana did against Mongul and the Kryptonian.

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And Mongul was said to be as strong as Darkseid.

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Which is probably true since it took Superman and an amped Batman to beat him. Wonder Woman as shown (even though the fight was done off panel) beat him and a Kryptonian on her lonesome. Like I've said, an argument can be made for her pulling the majority.

So the fight btw super girl and ww was also less than a second? Cuz if super girl didn't fight like that against wonderwoman,it won't help her case here,but if you want to go that route..surfer has shown nanosecond movements and reflexes..and morg not only kept up with him both times,but knocked his lights out in their first match so....morg also did pretty well against thanos in their brief fight...physical strength wise his clash with surfer blew up their planet and cracked the surrounding moons...he shruggedd of hits from gabriel and firelord together(firelord is a legit planet buster)

Originally posted by Genii96
So the fight btw super girl and ww was also less than a second? Cuz if super girl didn't fight like that against wonderwoman,it won't help her case here,but if you want to go that route..surfer has shown nanosecond movements and reflexes..and morg not only kept up with him both times,but knocked his lights out in their first match so....morg also did pretty well against thanos in their brief fight...physical strength wise his clash with surfer blew up their planet and cracked the surrounding moons...he shruggedd of hits from gabriel and firelord together(firelord is a legit planet buster)

She used her speed and couldn't touch WW. Even admitted she was too fast for her. Flash is no Wonder Woman, so the stuff Supergirl pulled against Flash would not have happened to Wondy due to Wonder Woman fighting skills. Wonder Woman was able to tie Supergirl up before she got the chance to react. She blitzed Supergirl before she could react. That tells you how fast WW is and that's a lot faster than Morg.

Wonder Woman can tie Morg up before he got the chance to lift his ax. It's just that simple. I guess it depends on how you think this fight would go but I'm giving this to Wonder Woman.

he never shrugged off their hits at normal levels. he had the water when he did that, and nova still temp ko'd him. at regular pc levels he is somewhere above terrax (who was in a weaker body than his previous one) and below ss. we also saw that morg became weakened after a sort of lengthy battle, 1 on 1, with terrax.

we also have no idea at all that the planet broke due to physical strength.... nor do we know who is MORE responsible for the destruction, or if it was a truly combined effort. conflating morg w/wol and morg with just the pc is something that seems to be going on a lot in this thread.....

Originally posted by carver9
She used her speed and couldn't touch WW. Even admitted she was too fast for her. Flash is no Wonder Woman, so the stuff Supergirl pulled against Flash would not have happened to Wondy due to Wonder Woman fighting skills. Wonder Woman was able to tie Supergirl up before she got the chance to react. She blitzed Supergirl before she could react. That tells you how fast WW is and that's a lot faster than Morg.

Wonder Woman can tie Morg up before he got the chance to lift his ax. It's just that simple. I guess it depends on how you think this fight would go but I'm giving this to Wonder Woman.

So you're stating that Morg, or none of the heralds of Galactus could possibly react to Diana's speed? Is this what you're stating, despite not knowing just how fast the Flash was moving, or any of them in those scans were moving? Could you just be assuming that Morg would be unable to react to that speed, or are you certain?

If surfer couldn't blitz morg's reflexes,if none of the heralds could,wonder woman isn't either...shall I bring all the speed feats of surfer too? And then show how morg knocked him out in another fight? Because that's basically what you are doing,that only helps morg even more
Morg knocks her head off

Originally posted by Stoic
So you're stating that Morg, or none of the heralds of Galactus could possibly react to Diana's speed? Is this what you're stating, despite not knowing just how fast the Flash was moving, or any of them in those scans were moving? Could you just be assuming that Morg would be unable to react to that speed, or are you certain?

Never said he wouldn't hit her but the skill difference and the speed is humongous here. Had Morg displayed any type of speed minus 'he has fought these beings so he must be fast' arguments?

Originally posted by leonidas
he never shrugged off their hits at normal levels. he had the water when he did that, and nova still temp ko'd him. at regular pc levels he is somewhere above terrax (who was in a weaker body than his previous one) and below ss. we also saw that morg became weakened after a sort of lengthy battle, 1 on 1, with terrax.

He beat Surfer before WoL.

He shrugged off Firelord AND Air-Walker's attacks AFTER he died and was rezzed by Galactus and the WoL upgrade was never mentioned again only in passing by Galactus (it's residue is what preserved Morg's essence so Galactus could rez him).

Originally posted by Genii96
If surfer couldn't blitz morg's reflexes,if none of the heralds could,wonder woman isn't either...shall I bring all the speed feats of surfer too? And then show how morg knocked him out in another fight? Because that's basically what you are doing,that only helps morg even more
Morg knocks her head off

This type of argument, does this apply to only Morg or all characters that has faced FTL beings?

Originally posted by zopzop
What?

He beat Surfer before WoL.

He shrugged off Firelord AND Air-Walker's attacks AFTER he died and was rezzed by Galactus and the WoL upgrade was never mentioned again only in passing by Galactus (it's residue is what preserved Morg's essence so Galactus could rez him).

where'd he shrug off their combined attacks after he was brought back?

Originally posted by leonidas
where'd he shrug off their combined attacks after he was brought back?

edited with correct link

Originally posted by carver9
This type of argument, does this apply to only Morg or all characters that has faced FTL beings?

cool. didn't remember that scene. he handled them, combined, far easier than he handled terrax solo....not sure what that says exactly...

Originally posted by leonidas
he never shrugged off their hits at normal levels. he had the water when he did that, and nova still temp ko'd him. at regular pc levels he is somewhere above terrax (who was in a weaker body than his previous one) and below ss. we also saw that morg became weakened after a sort of lengthy battle, 1 on 1, with terrax.

we also have no idea at all that the planet broke due to physical strength.... nor do we know who is MORE responsible for the destruction, or if it was a truly combined effort. conflating morg w/wol and morg with just the pc is something that seems to be going on a lot in this thread.....

Originally posted by panthergod
Heralds have trouble with Spider-Man level speed. They are statues to true speedsters like Diana.

And yet Diana gets punched in every comic she's appeared in. How do we explain that?

Originally posted by leonidas
cool. didn't remember that scene. he handled them, combined, far easier than he handled terrax solo....not sure what that says exactly...

Originally posted by Magnon

Anyways, Firelord was clearly too slow to connect with Spider-Man

Which was recognized as being so ridiculous that its not even allowed to be used in a debate on these boards.

PIS and horrible writing at its worst.

Originally posted by Genii96
I am simply pointing what your feat entails...you used diana beating supergirl as a speed feat because of a different fight with super girl and flash.....by that logic anyone who has faced and beaten beings with ftl capabilities can do the same..no?
I don't actually agree with that logic,I am just pointing out that It goes both ways

My post regarding Flash vs Supergirl was to show how fast Supergirl is. That showing is a measuring stick on her combat speed. Why exempt it? What you're doing is completely different since we didn't see a sign of super speed being used when Morg fought any of the Heralds. Nothing was displayed. Now Wonder Woman fought Supergirl and she was too fast for her. Tied her up before she got the chance to react, blitzed her, etc, etc...and Supergirl admitted she couldn't keep pace with Diana. We've seen how fast Supergirl is which speaks volumes. Now on the other hand we have Morg fighting against the Heralds. If any of them commented on his speed or if he was blitzing around them etc, etc...then your argument would be legit but nothing like that happened, they were easily able to keep pace with him. So who do we have here that Morg fought? Jack or Hearts?

Jack of Hearts had complained about Hulk speed. Never met anyone so fast and he got blitzed.

Hell, Hulk was too much for him throughout the fight.

Who else do we have that Morg fought? Firelord?

Got blitzed. Are you really comparing these people to Diana? Their flight speed is fast but they displayed nothing for us to get a determination of Morg being a speedster.

In regards to Surfer. How fast was he fighting Morg?

Originally posted by carver9
Never said he wouldn't hit her but the skill difference and the speed is humongous here. Had Morg displayed any type of speed minus 'he has fought these beings so he must be fast' arguments?

Carv, Thanos never displays speed either. Does the same pertain to him?

Originally posted by leonidas
cool. didn't remember that scene. he handled them, combined, far easier than he handled terrax solo....not sure what that says exactly...

Originally posted by Genii96
That he wasn't at full strength yet cuz he just got ressurected against terrax

Terrax was doing ok while he was in possession of the axe, as soon as Morg slapped it out of his hands, the fight was all but over (then Tyrant's goons jumped in).
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