Wonder Woman vs Morg...

Started by carver917 pages
Originally posted by tkitna
Carv, Thanos never displays speed either. Does the same pertain to him?

Thanos isn't a speedster but he does have sharp reflexes. Same for Hulk (throwing this out just in case someone wants to bring him up); Hulk isn't a speedster (even though he have better showings than the Heralds mentioned here minus Surfer) but his reflexes makes up for it. If either of these two were boxing against Diana, I would most Def say she would land the most blows.

What speed fts does Morg have?

Thanos has sharp reflexes based on what? Let me guess,his fight with heralds?

Originally posted by Genii96
Thanos has sharp reflexes based on what? Let me guess,his fight with heralds?

No...him slapping energy blast out of the air. Stopping a thrown Mjlonir or putting up a hand shield before a blitzing Herald approached him. Thanos has fts.

Originally posted by carver9

What speed fts does Morg have?

Probably just the one where he stops Gabriels blast during his limited appearances.

I guess my issue with all of this is that it seems DC makes it a point to tell the readers how fast a character is or they draw a panel with 30 fists flying around to depict a speed blitz where Marvel rarely if ever does that with most of their characters. Marvel leaves it more up to common sense. In that account, they can almost never measure up when it comes to speed feats.

My point is that Diana, Superman, and even the Flash are fast, but they get hit in every comic. Heralds have the power cosmic with cosmic awareness and travel at FTL speeds all the time, but yet are somehow labeled as slow because they get tagged during combat scenarios. I feel thats ludicrous. I'm a Sentry fan and he flew half way across the world, defused a national disaster and flew back before Lindy could use the bathroom, but yet he gets punched in every fight he's in. Seems kind of silly.

Why does it happen? So a story can be told. Its that simple. Is a reader supposed to honestly believe that Spiderman could actually hit a herald if they chose not to be hit? Should most characters be able to tag Sentry? How can Batman strike Diana or Clark? Why does Flash ever get struck? Come on people. Enough about this speed garbage already. Try to see and realize the obvious.

Originally posted by carver9
Thanos has fts.

With a lot of them coming against the heralds we're talking about in this very thread.

Originally posted by tkitna
Probably just the one where he stops Gabriels blast during his limited appearances.

I guess my issue with all of this is that it seems DC makes it a point to tell the readers how fast a character is or they draw a panel with 30 fists flying around to depict a speed blitz where Marvel rarely if ever does that with most of their characters. Marvel leaves it more up to common sense. In that account, they can almost never measure up when it comes to speed feats.

My point is that Diana, Superman, and even the Flash are fast, but they get hit in every comic. Heralds have the power cosmic with cosmic awareness and travel at FTL speeds all the time, but yet are somehow labeled as slow because they get tagged during combat scenarios. I feel thats ludicrous. I'm a Sentry fan and he flew half way across the world, defused a national disaster and flew back before Lindy could use the bathroom, but yet he gets punched in every fight he's in. Seems kind of silly.

Why does it happen? So a story can be told. Its that simple. Is a reader supposed to honestly believe that Spiderman could actually hit a herald if they chose not to be hit? Should most characters be able to tag Sentry? How can Batman strike Diana or Clark? Why does Flash ever get struck? Come on people. Enough about this speed garbage already. Try to see and realize the obvious.


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Originally posted by tkitna
Probably just the one where he stops Gabriels blast during his limited appearances.

I guess my issue with all of this is that it seems DC makes it a point to tell the readers how fast a character is or they draw a panel with 30 fists flying around to depict a speed blitz where Marvel rarely if ever does that with most of their characters. Marvel leaves it more up to common sense. In that account, they can almost never measure up when it comes to speed feats.

My point is that Diana, Superman, and even the Flash are fast, but they get hit in every comic. Heralds have the power cosmic with cosmic awareness and travel at FTL speeds all the time, but yet are somehow labeled as slow because they get tagged during combat scenarios. I feel thats ludicrous. I'm a Sentry fan and he flew half way across the world, defused a national disaster and flew back before Lindy could use the bathroom, but yet he gets punched in every fight he's in. Seems kind of silly.

Why does it happen? So a story can be told. Its that simple. Is a reader supposed to honestly believe that Spiderman could actually hit a herald if they chose not to be hit? Should most characters be able to tag Sentry? How can Batman strike Diana or Clark? Why does Flash ever get struck? Come on people. Enough about this speed garbage already. Try to see and realize the obvious.

You need to drill a hole in h1a8's head, pore this post in, and seal it tight with adamantium! 🙂

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Originally posted by tkitna
Probably just the one where he stops Gabriels blast during his limited appearances.

I guess my issue with all of this is that it seems DC makes it a point to tell the readers how fast a character is or they draw a panel with 30 fists flying around to depict a speed blitz where Marvel rarely if ever does that with most of their characters. Marvel leaves it more up to common sense. In that account, they can almost never measure up when it comes to speed feats.

My point is that Diana, Superman, and even the Flash are fast, but they get hit in every comic. Heralds have the power cosmic with cosmic awareness and travel at FTL speeds all the time, but yet are somehow labeled as slow because they get tagged during combat scenarios. I feel thats ludicrous. I'm a Sentry fan and he flew half way across the world, defused a national disaster and flew back before Lindy could use the bathroom, but yet he gets punched in every fight he's in. Seems kind of silly.

Why does it happen? So a story can be told. Its that simple. Is a reader supposed to honestly believe that Spiderman could actually hit a herald if they chose not to be hit? Should most characters be able to tag Sentry? How can Batman strike Diana or Clark? Why does Flash ever get struck? Come on people. Enough about this speed garbage already. Try to see and realize the obvious.

I agree with you on everything you said which is the reason I said even with CIS on WW is one of the rare Heralds that use her speed consistently. She tend to always use her reflexes while in combat to the point that it is d*** near impossible to hit her. Any other Herald, I would agree with you but Diana is consistently dodging, blocking, blitzing, etc... in her fights. It's her specialty.

Morg really doesn't have any showings that puts him out there as someone that would get a solid hit. Also, can you show me these fights where Diana is getting punched out or consistently hit?

Originally posted by tkitna
Probably just the one where he stops Gabriels blast during his limited appearances.

I guess my issue with all of this is that it seems DC makes it a point to tell the readers how fast a character is or they draw a panel with 30 fists flying around to depict a speed blitz where Marvel rarely if ever does that with most of their characters. Marvel leaves it more up to common sense. In that account, they can almost never measure up when it comes to speed feats.

My point is that Diana, Superman, and even the Flash are fast, but they get hit in every comic. Heralds have the power cosmic with cosmic awareness and travel at FTL speeds all the time, but yet are somehow labeled as slow because they get tagged during combat scenarios. I feel thats ludicrous. I'm a Sentry fan and he flew half way across the world, defused a national disaster and flew back before Lindy could use the bathroom, but yet he gets punched in every fight he's in. Seems kind of silly.

Why does it happen? So a story can be told. Its that simple. Is a reader supposed to honestly believe that Spiderman could actually hit a herald if they chose not to be hit? Should most characters be able to tag Sentry? How can Batman strike Diana or Clark? Why does Flash ever get struck? Come on people. Enough about this speed garbage already. Try to see and realize the obvious.

Making a post like this can be dangerous especially around here. Watch your back.

Originally posted by carver9
Also, can you show me these fights where Diana is getting punched out or consistently hit?

I never said she gets punched OUT. I said she gets hit in almost every fight she's in. Anyways, I dont have scans of WW comics, but i'm sure her respect page would provide many instances of her being struck if your inclined to look.

Eh, i'll get some scans together of her getting hit. Give me a few minutes.

Originally posted by carver9
Thanos isn't a speedster but he does have sharp reflexes. Same for Hulk (throwing this out just in case someone wants to bring him up); Hulk isn't a speedster (even though he have better showings than the Heralds mentioned here minus Surfer) but his reflexes makes up for it. If either of these two were boxing against Diana, I would most Def say she would land the most blows.

What speed fts does Morg have?

The Hulk has sharp reflexes, Thanos has sharp reflexes, but Morg doesn't even after Zop provided scans showing him dealing with Firelord, and then turning around in time to block Airwalker's blast?

I wanted to post the image of DCNU WW fighting Doomsday but the scan was much too large. Here's a link.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/64675/4331501-superman-wonder+woman+%282013-%29+001-019.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80033/4475729-4141879725-31718.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11114/111146088/3944157-6693024621-34435.jpg

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss79/MoseyGod/Clayface.jpg

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss79/MoseyGod/Cheetah1.jpg

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss79/MoseyGod/Death3.jpg
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http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111112281/3024253-.2.jpg

http://www.oocities.org/gaww119/23.jpg

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/WW-26-page-2-620x950.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/140003/3141352-mcd.jpg

Sorry to busy right now. Taking forever. I just did some google images and most fights are with Superman so its tedious. Whatever. Anyways, she gets hit plenty. Why wouldnt she?

Current WW wins.

Originally posted by tkitna
Probably just the one where he stops Gabriels blast during his limited appearances.

I guess my issue with all of this is that it seems DC makes it a point to tell the readers how fast a character is or they draw a panel with 30 fists flying around to depict a speed blitz where Marvel rarely if ever does that with most of their characters. Marvel leaves it more up to common sense. In that account, they can almost never measure up when it comes to speed feats.

My point is that Diana, Superman, and even the Flash are fast, but they get hit in every comic. Heralds have the power cosmic with cosmic awareness and travel at FTL speeds all the time, but yet are somehow labeled as slow because they get tagged during combat scenarios. I feel thats ludicrous. I'm a Sentry fan and he flew half way across the world, defused a national disaster and flew back before Lindy could use the bathroom, but yet he gets punched in every fight he's in. Seems kind of silly.

Why does it happen? So a story can be told. Its that simple. Is a reader supposed to honestly believe that Spiderman could actually hit a herald if they chose not to be hit? Should most characters be able to tag Sentry? How can Batman strike Diana or Clark? Why does Flash ever get struck? Come on people. Enough about this speed garbage already. Try to see and realize the obvious.

That's why these are forum fights with forum rules. We don't have to follow PIS from comics to help make a story work. We rather use logic of what should happen using things that actually make sense. We shouldn't build anan argument on something that doesn't make sense.

There are many characters strike characters many times faster in comics. But that doesn't prove that the striking character is that fast. It's called PIS. That's why we need feats to prove what a character is actually capable of. Otherwise, we are making up stuff that comics don't support. Sentry is fast because he has speed feats. But he isn't even close to Superman in speed. Morg literally has not shown any superhuman feats. The Gabriel feat doesn't prove anything since we don't know what happened between panels in the writers head.

Herald have superhuman reflexes but not beyond Spider-Man. GLs have comparable speed showings. Ireefutable facts.

Originally posted by h1a8
Morg literally has not shown any superhuman feats.

Originally posted by tkitna
And yet Diana gets punched in every comic she's appeared in. How do we explain that?

She doesn't always use her speed. She's never been utterly incapable of tagging a Spidey- level character when actively trying barring when she jobbed in Superman/Spider-Man pre-Crisis

Originally posted by tkitna
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80033/4475729-4141879725-31718.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11114/111146088/3944157-6693024621-34435.jpg

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss79/MoseyGod/Clayface.jpg

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss79/MoseyGod/Cheetah1.jpg

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss79/MoseyGod/Death3.jpg
http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss79/MoseyGod/Death5.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111112281/3024253-.2.jpg

http://www.oocities.org/gaww119/23.jpg

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/WW-26-page-2-620x950.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/140003/3141352-mcd.jpg

Sorry to busy right now. Taking forever. I just did some google images and most fights are with Superman so its tedious. Whatever. Anyways, she gets hit plenty. Why wouldnt she?

WW blocks light speed attacks with 100% success. You would be hard pressed to find a scene where she gets hit with an energy beam. If she consistently is able to simultaneously block MULTIPLE light speed energy beams without fail then she MUST be able to block or dodge attacks moving magnitudes slower.

It makes absolutely no sense to see light in slow motion and yet see a punch moving millions of times slower faster than you can react to. We should build arguments on things that make sense.