Here is my question though for religious people when it comes to the meaning of life: If somehow tomorrow it was proven without a shadow of a doubt there was no God..what would you do? By this I mean..would you continue to live your life as you always did(minus going to church and stuff). Would you embrace a hedonistic lifestyle? Would you just say "f*ck it there is no point" and commit suicide?
Originally posted by Surturit's not a fair question, basher's typically idiotic response aside. If religious people were to find out god wasn't real, it would be no different if atheists found out god was real. If the religious were to go on believing (lol), then the atheists will close their ears and eyes and scream, "i cant hear or see anything lalala."
Yes, but that is a cop out. I'm curious if people would legitimately just give up on life if they somehow found out God wasn't real.
Originally posted by psmith81992
it's not a fair question, basher's typically idiotic response aside. If religious people were to find out god wasn't real, it would be no different if atheists found out god was real. If the religious were to go on believing (lol), then the atheists will close their ears and eyes and scream, "i cant hear or see anything lalala."
Hmm, I assume some atheists might. Personally I can't really think of what could prove the existence of a God that couldn't similarly be explained with a sufficiently advanced alien race for example, but assuming there was a way, I think atheists take issue with certain rules that are allegedly God's and if they turned out to be God's actual rules as well, atheists would potentially reject them.
That's not really a fair assessment to call god anything extraterrestrial or what not because you're basically subscribing to the idea that there is no such thing and attributing anything out of the ordinary to everything but a god. Its self fulfilling.
And again, there is no way to prove or disprove god.
Originally posted by psmith81992
That's not really a fair assessment to call god anything extraterrestrial or what not because you're basically subscribing to the idea that there is no such thing and attributing anything out of the ordinary to everything but a god. Its self fulfilling.And again, there is no way to prove or disprove god.
Well that's what I am saying, I can't even conceive of a way that God could prove that he is God.
I agree with that, the concept of a deist God is not disprovable, of course interactions with the material world can be proven to not have happened, but ultimately a God can not be completely disproven.
Originally posted by riv6672
Same goes for religious folks. You say aliens did such and such. They'll ask, ah but who created the aliens.
I'm not saying aliens did it, what I'm saying is that I can not think of a way a God could prove to exist that I couldn't attribute to technology, like say the Matrix. This is not anything for or against a God, it's a statement regarding the limit of human experiences.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I'm not saying aliens did it, what I'm saying is that I can not think of a way a God could prove to exist that I couldn't attribute to technology, like say the Matrix. This is not anything for or against a God, it's a statement regarding the limit of human experiences.
Originally posted by Digi
And for reference, I wouldn't agree with it. If meaning is personal and subjective, and someone defines that meaning more strongly in a secular worldview, religion can absolutely undermine it. Finding anecdotes of any of this is next to impossible because we're talking about primal internal motivations, so we have nothing to point to. But in theory your premise here is eminently refutable.
Why would religion would undermine a secular worldview? You seem to do fine with religion around.
Unless you aren't? 😕
Originally posted by Bentley
Why would religion would undermine a secular worldview? You seem to do fine with religion around.Unless you aren't? 😕
In that statement I was talking about meaning for the person intrinsically. Not its presence in society as a whole, which has no affect on a person's "meaning" in life unless they define it through a religious context.