Body Cam Footage clearing cops in shooting death

Originally posted by Bardock42
The police officers that do their job well. You refuse to give them the respect. You only voice your respect when unarmed, black teenagers are killed. It's pathetic.

And good about answering the camera question, maybe answer the training of non-lethal force question as well now...

Which cops did their job well? I have not seen you post anything related to that.

You still have not backed your claim that I dont respect American heroes.

You realize your trolling wont work right?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Which cops did their job well? I have not seen you post anything related to that.

You still have not backed your claim that I dont respect American heroes.

You realize your trolling wont work right?

So you didn't read the OP. I mean that explains a lot. I don't know, I still think it's mostly to do with the fact that you are a racist. You don't care about police officers, you just like it when they kill black people.

My trolling? You are the one that's been going off-topic, avoiding any discussion on topic in three separate threads now.

Originally posted by Bardock42
So you didn't read the OP. I mean that explains a lot. I don't know, I still think it's mostly to do with the fact that you are a racist. You don't care about police officers, you just like it when they kill black people.

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With all the trigger-happy cops like Wilson, and vigilantes like Zimmermann, going above and beyond to shoot unarmed teenagers, it is very refreshing to see that some police officers know how to do their job.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...shooting-death/

It is very sad that it was not possible to talk the man down, but the officers behaved in an exemplary manner. It seems that body cam footage is really useful, not just to find cops that abuse their authority, but also to show when officers behave in good ways to clear them from any wrongdoings.

There should be a lot of respect for these officers. And all the more reason to sort the many bad seeds out"

Nothing about this OP referenced American Heroes. It was about cops wearing body cams, troll.

Seriously you don't need to inform me when you report me, you can just do it in quiet.

What I don't understand is this, I make a thread praising cops, you usually, because we only talk about cops shooting black teenagers really, tout that you are pro-cops. When cops actually behave in a great way, you are silent about their achievements and instead go off-topic, and spam the thread, making discussion difficult.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
With all the trigger-happy cops like Wilson, and vigilantes like Zimmermann, going above and beyond to shoot unarmed teenagers, it is very refreshing to see that some police officers know how to do their job.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...shooting-death/

It is very sad that it was not possible to talk the man down, but the officers behaved in an exemplary manner. It seems that body cam footage is really useful, not just to find cops that abuse their authority, but also to show when officers behave in good ways to clear them from any wrongdoings.

There should be a lot of respect for these officers. And all the more reason to sort the many bad seeds out"

Nothing about this OP referenced American Heroes. It was about cops wearing body cams, troll.

You don't think good cops are American heroes?

Until Ush comes in and deals with you, we are done. Your blatent trolling, and I am sure you will get a warning off your last remark.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Until Ush comes in and deals with you, we are done. Your blatent trolling, and I am sure you will get a warning off your last remark.

Okay, when you want to discuss the topic I'm willing to do so. I still think this is a great case that shows how cops can and should deal with these kinds of situations, and cops that aren't up to the standard should be let go, before more innocent people die.

We will never speak again. You said yesterday you were going to cut out this confrontational trolling. You started up today with me for no reason. I will let a mod deal with you. But we will never speak again.

What I meant yesterday is that I will dial back on calling you a liar, even though I think it often applies. That was needlessly confrontational, although within the rules I'm sure. I will however state my opinion and since we disagree on almost everything that will lead to confrontation. If you think it's better for you to ignore me that's fine, I understand that.

If you do want to talk however, and not just spam and go off-topic feel free. Tbh, I thought this thread could be one we agree on in essence, but I think your dislike for me is stronger than any integrity to your values.

This discussion has shifted away from the OP and needs to cease the back & forth.

Back to topic, please.

Yeah cops should wear body cams and should probably be miced up as well. That way we can avoid confusion about what happened.

It feels a bit one sided regarding how and who shifted it away from the OP.

I guess I'll just rephrase all the points, regarding the topic of the thread I've made while trying to discuss the topic of my OP over the last two pages, as a starting point, if anyone wants to discuss them:

1. Cops can work harder to resolve issues peacefully.
2. Cops should receive more training and the culture should be more understanding about the ways that things can be resolved in non-lethal ways
3. Cops can definitely be in situations where lethal force is appropriate, but defaulting to it always being appropriate is dangerous.
4. We should respect real heroes, who do their job well, over people who made mistakes or did things actively wrong
5. There's racist aspects to why cops that shoot unarmed, black teenagers are glorified
6. The cops that give the police force a bad name need to be weeded out
7. Body cameras are a good tool that can help both good cops and the community that they are meant to serve. It holds police officers accountable, and can create trust that had previously been lost.
8. Police officers should receive more training how to deal with people with mental health problems. These people are disproportionately affected by police shootings and it should be a requirement for every officer to attend seminars that teach ways to resolve situations that include the mentally ill.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah cops should wear body cams and should probably be miced up as well. That way we can avoid confusion about what happened.

Yea its pretty common sense they should from now on, but does that make what happened with Brown non justified because there was no camera? We could go further and say "does nothing happen the way it said it happened without a camera."

I saw your other posts in the the other thread, and it appears you think/thought that what wilson did was not justified. Or am I mistaken? I wouldn't want to assume based on what you said.

By all means, Bardock, continue your discussion. I don't want this thread to be derailed any further.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Yea its pretty common sense they should from now on, but does that make what happened with Brown non justified because there was no camera? We could go further and say "does nothing happen the way it said it happened without a camera."

I saw your other posts in the the other thread, and it appears you think/thought that what wilson did was not justified. Or am I mistaken? I wouldn't want to assume based on what you said.

But cameras is mics helps eliminate some of the more grey areas.

As to Officer Wilson I think the federal investigation showed that wilson did not act out accordance or in unjustified manners. Although they did mention that racial profiling and bias was shown to be a major problem in Fergueson over the years.

Of course anytime an unarmed person is killed I feel there needs to be a reevaluation of the protocols being used. For instance should there ever be an officer without a partner to help handle physical alterations. Why was his gun drawn first instead of a non lethal option.

I feel to often we like to demonize the the person killed as thugs and deserving of their fate. Even if brown was an ******* he did not deserve to die based on what we found out about him.

He did not deserve to die based on his previous actions but after attacking a cop and going for his gun, he ended up dead, but the justice department cleared wilson and found no wrong doing, this is Obama's and Eric Holders DOJ. While Ferguson had its problems with racial profiling, its generalizing to say/think that Wilson did too. When evidence proves otherwise. Not saying you think this either.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
He did not deserve to die based on his previous actions but after attacking a cop and going for his gun, he ended up dead, but the justice department cleared wilson and found no wrong doing, this is Obama's and Eric Holders DOJ. While Ferguson had its problems with racial profiling, its generalizing to say that Wilson did too. When evidence proves otherwise.

I'm glad we agree that Mike Brown did not deserve to die based on previous actions. So how can we prevent such things from happening in the future? Should wilson have employed non lethal means in the beginning instead immediately going for his gun? Would he have felt less likely to do so if he had a partner with him? Would he also have felt less likely to want to use lethal options if he knew he was being recorded with a body cam?

That's where I'm going with this.

I think you make a good point. Like the issue is that some cops are just more willing, some even unconsciously, to shoot black people rather than white people. And that is something that needs to be counteracted. Education can be one part of it. But body cams as well, likely put a different level of what is appropriate into the mind of the police officer.

Originally posted by Newjak
I already said the federal government cleared Wilson... also noted that the DoJ said that racial bias in the justice system had been an issue in Fergueson before.

I'm glad we agree that Mike Brown did not deserve to die based on previous actions. So how can we prevent such things from happening in the future? Should wilson have employed non lethal means in the beginning instead immediately going for his gun? Would he have felt less likely to do so if he had a partner with him? Would he also have felt less likely to want to use lethal options if he knew he was being recorded with a body cam?

That's where I'm going with this.

I edited before you posted.