Originally posted by Newjak
I already said the federal government cleared Wilson... also noted that the DoJ said that racial bias in the justice system had been an issue in Fergueson before.I'm glad we agree that Mike Brown did not deserve to die based on previous actions. So how can we prevent such things from happening in the future? Should wilson have employed non lethal means in the beginning instead immediately going for his gun? Would he have felt less likely to do so if he had a partner with him? Would he also have felt less likely to want to use lethal options if he knew he was being recorded with a body cam?
That's where I'm going with this.
On your point, you said could wilson have had a non lethal option?
If a large 6ft 3 man is beating the shit out of you and trying to take your gun, what options do you have under those circumstances.
Originally posted by Time-ImmemorialTaser Pepper Spray, having backup to feel less overwhelmed.
On your point, you said could wilson have had a non lethal option?If a large 6ft 3 man is beating the shit out of you and trying to take your gun, what options do you have under those circumstances.
Also Wilson was the same size as Brown.
Originally posted by Newjak
Taser Pepper Spray, having backup to feel less overwhelmed.Also Wilson was the same size as Brown.
That not how it went down though, he was inside his police car window, there was a struggle, and he was trying to keep him from getting his gun. There is no time to reach for pepper spray when you are struggling to keep someone from taking your gun. Why do you keep making excuses for Brown and saying "There must have been another way!"
Michael Brown: Age: 18; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 289 lb. Officer Darren Wilson: age: 28; Height: 6'4"; Weight: 210 lb The Crime Scene:
Explain how they are the same size? When he is an inch taller and 80lbs heavier.
I can tell you are not spun up on all the facts here, maybe read some more and get spun up on this whole thing, because right now this is embarrassing.
Originally posted by Time-ImmemorialYet there was time to use the gun? Also like I said having backup would have helped.
That not how it went down though, he was inside his police car window, there was a struggle, and he was trying to keep him from getting his gun. There is no time to reach for pepper spray when you are struggling to keep someone from taking your gun. Why do you keep making excuses for Brown and saying "There must have been another way!"Michael Brown: Age: 18; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 289 lb. Officer Darren Wilson: age: 28; Height: 6'4"; Weight: 210 lb The Crime Scene:
Explain how they are the same size? When he is an inch taller and 80lbs heavier.
I can tell you are not spun up on all the facts here, maybe read some more and get spun up on this whole thing, because right now this is embarrassing.
Before you said Mike Brown was 6'3???
Also someone can be 80 pounds heavier but you can still be a lot of stronger if you are more fit. The point being the size difference wasn't as big as people would have you believe.
Originally posted by Newjak
Yet there was time to use the gun? Also like I said having backup would have helped.Before you said Mike Brown was 6'3???
Also someone can be 80 pounds heavier but you can still be a lot of stronger if you are more fit. The point being the size difference wasn't as big as people would have you believe.
Oh my bad, so he's actually bigger then I thought. Now what?
Let me ask you think, do think a person sitting in the car behind a steering wheel has the advantage over someone outside the car?
Bit weird this is the second Darren Wilson thread now, feels like the other would be perfectly fine.
But just for reference on how likely it is that justice was done in the Grand Jury proceedings regarding Wilson:
"The New York Times described prosecutors' questioning of Wilson as "gentle" and said it contrasted with the sharp challenges to witnesses whose accounts seemed to contradict Wilson's, and reported that this had led some to question whether the process was as objective as McCulloch had claimed. The Times reported that prosecutors asked witness after witness if Brown appeared to be reaching for a weapon when confronting Wilson, though few of them said that. Furthermore, contradictions in testimony by Wilson and other law-enforcement officers were left unchallenged by prosecutors.[79] CNN legal analyst Sunny Hostin criticized the prosecutors for asking softball questions during the cross examination of Wilson's testimony, and referred particularly to the fact that no witness could corroborate Wilson's story that he had warned Brown twice to lay down on the ground, and when asked, witnesses said that they did not hear him say that.[202]"
If police officers' lies go unchallenged and everything is done to discredit witnesses contradicting them of course there's not going to be a real unbiased process. Which is why the findings of the Jury are totally meaningless to the reality of the situation.
Originally posted by FinalAnswer
It's actually what you wanted though when you opened the thread with the comment about Wilson. This is a pretty blatant bait thread tbh.
I also made a statement about Zimmermann, it was one throwaway line to give reason why I posted this thread (i.e. to provide a positive example of police conduct, because the general tone is that "liberals hate police"😉
I then further did not engage on any Wilson related arguments and tried to steer it back to points related to the article (body-cams, education about non-lethal ways to deal with situations, etc.)
So, yeah, I did mention Darren Wilson (an example, imo, of how not to deal with such a situation), but to call this a "bait thread" is absurd. If so it would be the most harmless bait thread in KMC history, with the alleged baiter going out of his way to avoid the "bait" topic. Really it's like people feel I should be held to a standard of complete objectivity because I don't usually make batshit insane posts like the actual bait threads that happen here every day.
Originally posted by FinalAnswer
It's actually what you wanted though when you opened the thread with the comment about Wilson. This is a pretty blatant bait thread tbh.
He had a interesting way of doing it to. Its my fault for taking the bait, he then flipped it on me accusing me of not thinking cops were hero's, saying I only think cops are good for killing black people or that they are not heroes, when I spend most my time here defending police. Its quiet shameful and extremely absurd. My neighbor is a detective, great guy too.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
He had a interesting way of doing it to. Its my fault for taking the bait, he then flipped it on me accusing me of not thinking cops were hero's, saying I only think cops are good for killing black people or that they are not heroes, when I spend most my time here defending police. Its quiet shameful and extremely absurd. My neighbor is a detective, great guy too.
Yeah, I baited you with the magic words "Darren Wilson" to go on a two page spam session...we are equally to blame here, I have to adhere to standards akin to the objectivity of NPR, and you have to keep your spamming to 1 and a half pages maximum, fair is fair.
Bardock, you may want to consider that the best threads are focussed threads; when you tie an issue into other issues- even if they are relevant and valid- all that tends to happen is that the subject becomes unfocussed and prone to distraction and you have a rubbish thread; that's why the shooting/misogyny thread was a disaster zone. A similar issue here, and don't pretend that you can't have foreseen that calling Wilson trigger happy was going to be provocative for many people.
I don't think you were trolling with it, I just don't think it was the right way to go. To put it in context, all you had to do was say something like "Amongst all the recent controversy about police shootings..." and then you have a nice neutral way in.
As it is- everyone, please don't make this thread about Wilson, despite its presence in te OP. Keep it to ths incident and bodycams, thanks.
Yeah, I can see the trigger-happy thing was provocative, and it was obviously inspired by the many recent threads, particularly the Wilson thread or I wouldn't even have made it.
With the other thread the misogyny angle was literally what I wanted to discuss in regards to it though, i just think that any discussion regarding misogyny is a minefield, but I'm not sure if that means we shouldn't have any, especially when it is such a widely discussed topic in the media recently, but almost absent from the GDF.
But while I can do better I just think I can't be held accountable for someone literally spamming the same post 4 times over and over.
Originally posted by SayWhat
Make it illegal for whites to be cops. Same for judges. That would end racial bias; although I wonder if more whites would go to jail. Probably not, lawyers have a way of winning cases regardless of color. Except for public defenders.
I guess you have not seen black people like carson, allen west being called racist against other blacks. So your point is invalid, and racist.