Darth Vader on Lothal

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Based on what does he mean "both?" Because based on the fight itself (in which Vader is canonically described as toying with them), the fact Vader doesn't rush to stop the Ghost from leaving but rather calmly walks away, the fact Vader doesn't try to TK the ship despite it being well within his canon TK abilities, and the fact Vader clearly anticipated the Ghost's escape from orbit, I think it's "clear" he's referring to the final instance.

Nothing in the lightsaber fight "diminishes" Vader in the first place, while the ending of the space battle currently does. In one instance, Vader's clearly the superior, while in the other, the Ghost crew does, in fact, outsmart the Dark Lord. There's a clear comparison. Given the show is made for young kids, and that this fact should be obvious to them, and then the fact you don't understand that, means: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBPqksG9nbA

Why are you even bothering.

Originally posted by quanchi112
In reference to his battle with Ezra and K man. Characters always can do more or act smarter. He clearly tried to kill Ezra. He wasn't letting them knock him around. Vader is the superior to them but he should be well above them. It should be like he disarms and overwhelms the both of them easily whereas they both kept recovering to help the other to allow them the chance to escape. That's a low showing for someone like Vader. These two are scrubs compared to him.

He wasn't letting them knock him around because they never did besides one instance. And that one instance only led to another display of Vader's awesome power and "invincibility." Plus, it's worth noting he was distracted. This is hardly a low showing for canon Vader, BTW, who in ESB is having moments like "the push" from Kanan and Ezra all the time.

Example #1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-DeI3ohVbY&t=2m10s

Example #2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-DeI3ohVbY&t=2m38s

Example #3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-DeI3ohVbY&t=5m29s

The description of the fight reads as follows:

"He slowly approaches the Jedi, towering over them. As they fight, he's impossibly strong, dueling with ease and tossing the Jedi and Padawan aside as if they were weightless.

The duel continues. Vader stops Kanan's strike and throws the Jedi across the hangar, dazing him. The Sith Lord uses the opportunity to finish Ezra. He Force lifts the Padawan and pins him, slowly bringing Ezra's own lightsaber blade toward his throat. Kanan recovers in time to stop the Sith, however. But he's no match for Vader, who tags the Jedi's shoulder. Before Vader can destroy Kanan and Ezra, however, there's an explosion. Sabine has toppled a walker, and the Jedi Force push Vader beneath it as it falls.

Vader rises."

Which part of the fight would be considered a "low showing" besides a distracted Vader being pushed, in which is hardly something that is new for Vader (aka the links provided)?

Originally posted by ares834
Why are you even bothering.

👆 Testing Quan's boundaries. Seeing what he does or doesn't consider canon, and how his arguments generally play out.

I already see a potential double-standard I might try exploiting for the big show.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He did try to kill Ezra, but as starwars.com noted, he did so "slowly" - as an evil villain does. Rarely to antagonists kill off their victims in a mere moment. They normally prolong the pain and the torture. We seen Vader do this with his Force Chokes. It's well within his power to instantly snap the neck of an officer, but instead we see him slowly suck the air from them.

He wasn't letting them knock him around because they never did besides one instance. And that one instance only led to another display of Vader's awesome power and "invincibility." Plus, it's worth noting he was distracted. This is hardly a low showing for canon Vader, BTW, who in ESB is having moments like "the push" from Kanan and Ezra all the time.

Example #1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-DeI3ohVbY&t=2m10s

Example #2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-DeI3ohVbY&t=2m38s

Example #3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-DeI3ohVbY&t=5m29s

The description of the fight reads as follows:

"He slowly approaches the Jedi, towering over them. As they fight, he's impossibly strong, dueling with ease and tossing the Jedi and Padawan aside as if they were weightless.

The duel continues. Vader stops Kanan's strike and throws the Jedi across the hangar, dazing him. The Sith Lord uses the opportunity to finish Ezra. He Force lifts the Padawan and pins him, slowly bringing Ezra's own lightsaber blade toward his throat. Kanan recovers in time to stop the Sith, however. But he's no match for Vader, who tags the Jedi's shoulder. Before Vader can destroy Kanan and Ezra, however, there's an explosion. Sabine has toppled a walker, and the Jedi Force push Vader beneath it as it falls.

Vader rises."

Which part of the fight would be considered a "low showing" besides a distracted Vader being pushed, in which is hardly something that is new for Vader (aka the links provided)?

The one instance is all they needed. That's the point. They escaped with their lives and their health. I want to reference enough instance and hopefully it's one you'll understand. Take for instance in ootp when Voldemort shows up for Harry Potter. He easily disarms Harry and Dumbledore has to show up to defend him. Even then the Aurors show up as well. Thats allowing the hero to survive because we know generally they are but not undermining the antagonist at the same time.

The force push as well as the fact they left the fight win no injuries despite going up against someone so far out of their weight class. That's the problem with these shows and their lower level insignificant heroes and putting them up against the central antagonist of the original Star Wars films. The baddies end up looking bad when the writing isn't clever enough to explain this away. That's why these instances need to be fewer and far between as Dave Filoni himself agreed this diminishes the character.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
He's practicing for Armageddon. The end all of all debates.

I wanted to reference Khan from Into Darkness but I don't want to give away any spoiler details from the film until Darth Ant witnesses greatness for himself. You have to see it to believe it. Khan makes my point even more so with regards to the Vader showing and why I believe it's "low."

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Vader letting them escaped only further showed his mastery on tactics and foresight.
IMO it only made him look even more badass in the long run, since it led to him soloing a fleet.

Wow this is actaully good.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Wow this is actaully good.

Vader soloing the fleet like that makes him arguably more powerful than Yoda or Palpatine. Because I doubt either of them are as good at piloting as Vader (they obviously don't have the feats but are presumably among the best given their extreme level of Pre-Cog/Coordination e.t.c). And soling that fleet was an example of True Power. What good is Lightsaber dueling next to that kind of Power?

Well Anakin/Vader is noted as the best star pilot in the galaxy, so...it should be a no brainer that his piloting skill is above everyone else.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Vader soloing the fleet like that makes him arguably more powerful than Yoda or Palpatine. Because I doubt either of them are as good at piloting as Vader (they obviously don't have the feats but are presumably among the best given their extreme level of Pre-Cog/Coordination e.t.c). And soling that fleet was an example of True Power. What good is Lightsaber dueling next to that kind of Power?

Vader ultimately failed.

Can't wait to see Kylo fail to

Spoiler:
kill a Stormtrooper.

Pathetic.

Originally posted by ares834
Can't wait to see Kylo fail to

Spoiler:
kill a Stormtrooper.

Pathetic.

Indeed, about Vader's crazy powerful aura. 👆

Originally posted by ares834
Indeed, about Vader's crazy powerful aura. 👆

Not what this thread is about. Try not to let you emotions get involved here. 🙂

Originally posted by ares834
Not what this thread is about. Try not to let you emotions get involved here. 🙂

Originally posted by ares834
Not what this thread is about. Try not to let you emotions get involved here. 🙂

😂

Ownage

Originally posted by quanchi112
Darth Vader on lethal is relevant and he failed in the episode. The guy behind the series even agrees him losing diminishes the character and thus to limit his appearances. I agree.

On lethal?

You're really confused here. This thread is about discussing Vader's dark side aura and how it can be felt around the world.