Originally posted by Darth ThorHe is a highly skilled pilot which has nothing to do with how Yoda and Sheev stack up to him in a fight. Totally irrelevant.
And The TIE is Vader's ship of choice. He destroyed an entire Rebel fleet single handed. To call that Irrelevant to his Awesome Power Set is frankly being in denial.
Originally posted by playa1258Why would I care about his piloting skills ? Vader also failed.
Quan will forever low ball Vader. Quan would masturbate hourly to Maul if Maul soloed a whole fleet.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He is a highly skilled pilot which has nothing to do with how Yoda and Sheev stack up to him in a fight.
A Space fight is still a fight.
And is clearly more important in an Intergalactic war than who wields their swords better LOL
When Khan or your soon to be favorite Kylo Ren takes out an entire Rebel Fleet let me know.
Originally posted by playa1258
Quan will forever low ball Vader. Quan would masturbate hourly to Maul if Maul soloed a whole fleet.
Of course he would.
Oh and since what Filoni states is suddenly inarguable:
Originally posted by quanchi112
Filoni says otherwise. Can't argue with him.
it's probably a good time to let Quan know Filoni confirmed Kenobi outright defeated both Maul+Opress together 🙂
Watch him now come up with a reason why Filoni's words are fact when it suits him, but irrelevant when it doesn't 😂
Originally posted by Darth ThorI didn't say piloting skills have no value I said in relation to the versus threads here it's a moot point.
A Space fight is still a fight.And is clearly more important in an Intergalactic war than who wields their swords better LOL
When Khan or your soon to be favorite Kylo Ren takes out an entire Rebel Fleet let me know.
Khan in his Vengeance would maul Vader in his ship. Trek ships are far superior in a war time setting. That universe actually progresses. 😂
Originally posted by Darth ThorNot according to board standards. On kmc Maul wins. We go by the board rules. Bfr is a legit win. Filoni obviously isn't familiar with the rules of what determines a winner on this message board.
Of course he would.Oh and since what Filoni states is suddenly inarguable:
it's probably a good time to let Quan know Filoni confirmed Kenobi outright defeated both Maul+Opress together 🙂
Watch him now come up with a reason why Filoni's words are fact when it suits him, but irrelevant when it doesn't 😂
Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't say piloting skills have no value I said in relation to the versus threads here it's a moot point.
You can't have Space Battles in the Versus threads? Of course you can. We've had some on this forum. Besides who mentioned anything about Versus threads? LOL
Vader's the Most Powerful in a Space Battle. Which is the Most Signifcant form of Combat in SW. End of. He also happens to have the Most Powerful TK feat in Canon. Basically he's Awesome, and arguably the Most Powerful Jedi/Sith.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan in his Vengeance would maul Vader in his ship. Trek ships are far superior in a war time setting. That universe actually progresses. 😂
Oh I Totally Believe you would TROLL a Khan vs Vader Space Battle.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Bfr is a legit win. Filoni obviously isn't familiar with the rules of what determines a winner on this message board.
Nice. Keep Trolling.
Originally posted by Darth ThorAnyone can create any stip to any of these threads but 90 percent or better have to do with Vader combat wise with his saber against someone else not piloting.
You can't have Space Battles in the Versus threads? Of course you can. We've had some on this forum. Besides who mentioned anything about Versus threads? LOLVader's the Most Powerful in a Space Battle. Which is the Most Signifcant form of Combat in SW. End of. He also happens to have the Most Powerful TK feat in Canon. Basically he's Awesome, and arguably the Most Powerful Jedi/Sith.
Oh I Totally Believe you would TROLL a Khan vs Vader Space Battle.
Nice. Keep Trolling.
Khan rapes him in the Vengeance so despite Vader's prowess against rebels we both know Khan beats him there as well.
Who cares ? You dismissed other tk feats and went with power scaling but here you do the opposite. You're all over the map. In battle Vader has lost quite often. He never bested Yoda, Sidious, or even Windu in a fair one on one battle. He ended up not living up to his potential and most recently we see him fail against rebels.
Do you see any other outcome than Khan decimating Vader's ship ?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Anyone can create any stip to any of these threads but 90 percent or better have to do with Vader combat wise with his saber against someone else not piloting.
Because up until recently no one really had major space battle feats.
Vader's the first and by far the best. He grew more Powerful than Yoda and Palpatine (arguably).
Vader also has the Best TK Lifting/Crushing Feat of inanimate objects in Canon.
Vader is essentially Power.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan rapes him in the Vengeance so despite Vader's prowess against rebels we both know Khan beats him there as well.
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Not even his ship. He had control over it for what 5 mins? Lol.
If Spock can outsmart him in that thing, Vader certainly has a shot.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Who cares ? You dismissed other tk feats and went with power scaling but here you do the opposite. You're all over the map. In battle Vader has lost quite often. He never bested Yoda, Sidious, or even Windu in a fair one on one battle. He ended up not living up to his potential and most recently we see him fail against rebels.
LOL What? How does Power scaling put Vader's TK or Piloting Power below Sidious or Yoda's?
His TK could be on the same level as Sidious's and Yoda's. And his Piloting Ability is almost certainly superior.
That's why he's arguably the Most Powerful Jedi/Sith.
You're clearly Butthurt over this. I mean this isn't even a versus thread, but you just can't help yourself.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you see any other outcome than Khan decimating Vader's ship ?
Assuming he can even hit Vader. Which seems unlikely given what happened in Siege of Lothal.
But I hope you're right for your sake. Because Vader in his little 1 manned Tie Fighter beating Khan in the Vengeance (not even Khan's ship) would be as humiliating as Vader's defeat of the Rebel Fleet.
Originally posted by Darth ThorIt is piloting and not many care about this. He never reached his potential and was due to be replaced by his son. You can exaggerate Vader all day long as the facts speak for themselves.
Because up until recently no one really had major space battle feats.Vader's the first and by far the best. He grew more Powerful than Yoda and Palpatine (arguably).
Vader also has the Best TK Lifting/Crushing Feat of inanimate objects in Canon.
Vader is essentially Power.
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Not even his ship. He had control over it for what 5 mins? Lol.
If Spock can outsmart him in that thing, Vader certainly has a shot.
LOL What? How does Power scaling put Vader's TK or Piloting Power below Sidious or Yoda's?
His TK could be on the same level as Sidious's and Yoda's. And his Piloting Ability is almost certainly superior.
That's why he's arguably the Most Powerful Jedi/Sith.
You're clearly Butthurt over this. I mean this isn't even a versus thread, but you just can't help yourself.
Assuming he can even hit Vader. Which seems unlikely given what happened in Siege of Lothal.
But I hope you're right for your sake. Because Vader in his little 1 manned Tie Fighter beating Khan in the Vengeance (not even Khan's ship) would be as humiliating as Vader's defeat of the Rebel Fleet.
Vader is essentially a slow moving cyborg who needs a suit to remain alive. He's also dead. 😉
Khan actually designed his weapons and his ship is designed to be manned by one if necessary. Khan took control of it and would obliterate Vader in a ship he didn't design. A dogfighting Vader gets obliterated by the Dreadnought class ship in Khan's hands.
Context. In a fight between the ships Khan wins. Khan isn't trying to get his men from the torpedoes back so it's irrelevant and they aren't going to be talking back and forth in the first place. You're so adorably desperate and biased.
Piloting isn't power it's skill flying a ship. It's like me saying Han Solo is power incarnate and that he's greater than Savage Opress because he's a better pilot. Who cares ?
Based off what is it on the same level. Piloting is just a skill and your logic falls apart when we compare other characters in your effort to give Vader some kind of false praise in personal power by adding this skill to personal power.
Trek isn't Wars. The weaponry, speed, and shielding makes this a no brainer. The fact you won't acknowledge this shows your true colors.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It is piloting and not many care about this. He never reached his potential and was due to be replaced by his son. You can exaggerate Vader all day long as the facts speak for themselves.
You don't care about it but I do, as does every Episode 7 fan, given the trailers have been really showcasing the ship to ship battles, with fans going Nuts over it, and not shown any Lightsaber fighting as of yet.
Don;t worry, Star Wars fans get the excitement.
Luke is even more powerful than Vader, yeah. And would kick ass against any Jedi/Sith in ANY aspect of combat, Space Battle, TK or Sabers.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan actually designed his weapons and his ship is designed to be manned by one if necessary. Khan took control of it and would obliterate Vader in a ship he didn't design. A dogfighting Vader gets obliterated by the Dreadnought class ship in Khan's hands.
Nope wasn't Khan's ship. Never was. You're butthurt here is Epic.
And what's this supposed to prove anyway? It proves nothing about Khan's combat abilities LOL
Originally posted by quanchi112
Piloting isn't power it's skill flying a ship. It's like me saying Han Solo is power incarnate and that he's greater than Savage Opress because he's a better pilot. Who cares ?
Han Solo can't Solo an entire fleet, despite piloting the fastest ship in the Galaxy. Sabine's an Amazing Pilot with a far superior ship to Vader's yet was completely helpless against him in a Space battle.
Vader's the Best Pilot due to his Power in the Force in addition to his skill/experience as a pilot.
But take away his Force Powers and he's not Soloing a Rebel fleet. That's obviously Power in the Force.
Admiral Trench even makes it clear in TCW when Anakin's ship dodges everything his Huge battleship threw at him, that ONLY A JEDI could have dodged every shot. That's True power.
And btw, Savage Opress could probably just Force Choke Han Solo even from different ships. And bad example anyway given his lack of training as a Jedi/Sith.
Originally posted by quanchi112Trek isn't Wars. The weaponry, speed, and shielding makes this a no brainer. The fact you won't acknowledge this shows your true colors.
Which again says absolutely nothing about Khan's combat abilities. And he doesn't even have the Vengeance LOL
Vader not only has a Tie Advanced (Permanently), but it's part of his standard equipment.
Yes my true colours as a Star Wars fan. Episode 7 will be continuation of the same Saga and not a Reboot like NUTrek.
Originally posted by Darth ThorYou favor piloting feats over lightsaber battles. Good to know as I'm the opposite. We also see Kylo about to get down and dirty. We know it takes place as they are the penultimate dramatic points of the films. 🙂
You don't care about it but I do, as does every Episode 7 fan, given the trailers have been really showcasing the ship to ship battles, with fans going Nuts over it, and not shown any Lightsaber fighting as of yet.Don;t worry, Star Wars fans get the excitement.
Luke is even more powerful than Vader, yeah. And would kick ass against any Jedi/Sith in ANY aspect of combat, Space Battle, TK or Sabers.
Nope wasn't Khan's ship. Never was. You're butthurt here is Epic.
And what's this supposed to prove anyway? It proves nothing about Khan's combat abilities LOL
Han Solo can't Solo an entire fleet, despite piloting the fastest ship in the Galaxy. Sabine's an Amazing Pilot with a far superior ship to Vader's yet was completely helpless against him in a Space battle.
Vader's the Best Pilot due to his Power in the Force in addition to his skill/experience as a pilot.
But take away his Force Powers and he's not Soloing a Rebel fleet. That's obviously Power in the Force.
Admiral Trench even makes it clear in TCW when Anakin's ship dodges everything his Huge battleship threw at him, that ONLY A JEDI could have dodged every shot. That's True power.
And btw, Savage Opress could probably just Force Choke Han Solo even from different ships.
Which again says absolutely nothing about Khan's combat abilities. And he doesn't even have the Vengeance LOL
Vader not only has a Tie Advanced (Permanently), but it's part of his standard equipment.
Yes my true colours as a Star Wars fan. Episode 7 will be continuation of the same Saga and not a Reboot like NUTrek.
Not as of rotj. He wasn't that badass just greater than Vader but historically the guy has been beaten more than once and luckily escaped with his life.
Khan overtook the ship and his mind was used to design the weapons. That's why Marcus wanted him his sheer brilliance and savagery. Vader just got into some lame ship which can't stand against the dreadnought class. It's not even up for debate. You proclaimed Vader's piloting then concede Khan decimates him. Good Anakin, good.
I never said he could but he's a better pilot than Savae Opress but no one factors that into the equation between the two save biased posters. Vader is a better pilot but at the end of the day he still failed. No one takes into account piloting skill in a one on one matchup when it comes to power. You're seriously reaching to truly epic levels.
Ok so ? The force obviously gives him an advantage but he still ended up failing. The force can't aid him in beating Khan in the dreadnought in a space battle.
Opress crushes Han and piloting has nothing to do with anything. Ones a better pilot but combat wise it means nothing outside of a piloted ship.
He does have the Vengeance and since you want to talk currently Vader is dead. Khan is napping.
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We are arguing ships they both piloted and you can't defend Vader because you're weak.
Wars doesn't need a reboot but Trek clearly did and it worked magnificently.
Wars really doesn't progress like Trek so it's at a disadvantage tech wise.
Originally posted by playa1258Their tech is outdated and they can be bombed by trek ships safely away.
The Vengeance would be matched by many Star Wars ships. The empire has far more resources than the Federation and would win because of it.
The sensors from the Trek universe can discern the individual cellular make up of individuals on a planet from orbit, can detect ships from trillions of kms away (in other sectors) and can track andtarget objects at ranges of hundred of thousands of kilometers. In the Star Wars universe their sensors on a Star Destroyer cannot even detect droids in a unshielded pod. They cannot track down individual aliens Or beings on a planet and most combat occurs at when they can visually see the target not prior to. Star Wars ships miss all the time. the range and accuracy of sensors means that Trek vessels could detect SW ships at incredible distances, and engage them while remaining completely invisible making the outcome pretty clear.
USS Vengeance is one ship and trust me they would definitely make more of Khan's weapons such as the torpedoes as well. Star Wars is too static to be able to match Trek at this point.