Darth Vader on Lothal

Originally posted by quanchi112
You favor piloting feats over lightsaber battles. Good to know as I'm the opposite. We also see Kylo about to get down and dirty. We know it takes place as they are the penultimate dramatic points of the films. 🙂

The fans all went crazy seeing the Millenium Falcon fight off Tie Fighters, and seeing X-Wings ready for action.

It's not a preference, but we've seen A LOT of Saber action in the Prequels, but the Prequels lacked sufficient Space action which fans are Craving again.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not as of rotj. He wasn't that badass just greater than Vader but historically the guy has been beaten more than once and luckily escaped with his life.

Forget ROTJ, Luke destroyed the Death Star (the Emperor's greatest weapon) as of ANH. Which the Emperor specifically notes in the edited version of ESB, that THIS Kid Must be Vader's Son BECAUSE we saw his Power in action destroying our Greatest Weapon.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan overtook the ship and his mind was used to design the weapons. That's why Marcus wanted him his sheer brilliance and savagery. Vader just got into some lame ship which can't stand against the dreadnought class. It's not even up for debate. You proclaimed Vader's piloting then concede Khan decimates him. Good Anakin, good.

LOL Get over it. Wasn't Khan's ship. It was Marcus's ship. Khan took control of it for 5 mins before getting immediately defeated in it. He had it for 1 fight where he was humiliated LOL.

Why you so desperate anyway to give him the most powerful ship in the NUTrek Galaxy against Vader Tie fighter when you're the one claiming Space Battles "don't mean squat"?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said he could but he's a better pilot than Savae Opress but no one factors that into the equation between the two save biased posters. Vader is a better pilot but at the end of the day he still failed. No one takes into account piloting skill in a one on one matchup when it comes to power. You're seriously reaching to truly epic levels.

Space Combat is still combat. I don't know how good Opress was, but if he's not as good as Solo it's due to his lack of training.

I wouldn't fancy Solo's chances in a 1 v 1 Space fight if he went up against Darth Maul though.

But hey Solo's Piloting skill added to having the Fastest Ship in the Galaxy does give him Power. Look how Jango Fett had Obi-Wan on the run in AOTC.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok so ? The force obviously gives him an advantage but he still ended up failing. The force can't aid him in beating Khan in the dreadnought in a space battle.

Advantage? LOL

It's a Clear Supernatural Ability allowing him to Solo a Rebel fleet. Let me know when Khan has such a feat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Opress crushes Han and piloting has nothing to do with anything. Ones a better pilot but combat wise it means nothing outside of a piloted ship.

Space Combat is still Combat. Jeez. Try destroying the Death Star with a Lightsaber, or with Savage's fists LOL.

Have you never seen or heard of a Superman vs Enterprise/Star Trek battle? Jeez

Originally posted by quanchi112
He does have the Vengeance and since you want to talk currently Vader is dead. Khan is napping.

Nah You KNow he doesn't. Even if he did it Proves nothing about Khan's piloting abilities. And he'd STILL struggle to hit Vader 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wars doesn't need a reboot but Trek clearly did and it worked magnificently.

Wars really doesn't progress like Trek so it's at a disadvantage tech wise.

Excatly. This ain't no reboot. This is the same Franchise you've always hated. You're clearly a Trek boy. And you're even showing your SW hatred and Trek fandom now in this thread. In this post in fact.

So one ship can beat the whole Empire? It's unknown if the dreadnaught class is even a match for one star destroyer, and the empire has thousands of them.

Originally posted by quanchi112

He does have the Vengeance and since you want to talk currently Vader is dead. Khan is napping.

😂

Oh and btw "Current" Vader is a Powerful Force Ghost LOL

Khan's on Ice where he belongs.

Quanchi you're so Dumb sometimes.

And yet, DP, you've wasted two years of your life continuing to respond to him, practically hunting him down in every thread he's ever posted in.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
The fans all went crazy seeing the Millenium Falcon fight off Tie Fighters, and seeing X-Wings ready for action.

It's not a preference, but we've seen A LOT of Saber action in the Prequels, but the Prequels lacked sufficient Space action which fans are Craving again.

Forget ROTJ, Luke destroyed the Death Star (the Emperor's greatest weapon) as of ANH. Which the Emperor specifically notes in the edited version of ESB, that THIS Kid Must be Vader's Son BECAUSE we saw his Power in action destroying our Greatest Weapon.

LOL Get over it. Wasn't Khan's ship. It was Marcus's ship. Khan took control of it for 5 mins before getting immediately defeated in it. He had it for 1 fight where he was humiliated LOL.

Why you so desperate anyway to give him the most powerful ship in the NUTrek Galaxy against Vader Tie fighter when you're the one claiming Space Battles "don't mean squat"?

Space Combat is still combat. I don't know how good Opress was, but if he's not as good as Solo it's due to his lack of training.

I wouldn't fancy Solo's chances in a 1 v 1 Space fight if he went up against Darth Maul though.

But hey Solo's Piloting skill added to having the Fastest Ship in the Galaxy does give him Power. Look how Jango Fett had Obi-Wan on the run in AOTC.

Advantage? LOL

It's a Clear Supernatural Ability allowing him to Solo a Rebel fleet. Let me know when Khan has such a feat.

Space Combat is still Combat. Jeez. Try destroying the Death Star with a Lightsaber, or with Savage's fists LOL.

Have you never seen or heard of a Superman vs Enterprise/Star Trek battle? Jeez

Nah You KNow he doesn't. Even if he did it Proves nothing about Khan's piloting abilities. And he'd STILL struggle to hit Vader 😂

Excatly. This ain't no reboot. This is the same Franchise you've always hated. You're clearly a Trek boy. And you're even showing your SW hatred and Trek fandom now in this thread. In this post in fact.

Yes, it is and your dislike of the prequels is now complete. Rots was the greatest Star Wars film to date. Acting like any of the ot's even approaches this film is laughable. But that's your thing not mine.

It wasn't even that hard. In Star Wars a dog fighter is still something to be marveled at but in Star Trek it's just a ship taken out before they could even see the trek ship. Yes, he's powerful but piloting skills don't translate into personal power. In Star Wars outdated dogfighting is still in full effect but get that outdated shit out of here when it comes to Star Trek.

Khan designed the weapons. Without the ship he took it over with two guys. That's an amazing feat. Khan designed the weapons unlike Vader who just had the backing of an empire. How utterly pathetic for someone with those kinds of resources to fail against rebels is downright terrible. Khan was not defeated in combat so irrelevant to a comparison.

Khan's ship versus Vader's and you concede the victory. You're weak and again faithless in Vader. You've always lacked faith in someone you claim is power. 😂

Space combat is irrelevant to a versus matchup outside of space combat.

Darth Maul is different than Opress but you conceded the point.

No ones piloting skills has anything to do with their personal power. Don't make nonsensical claims.

Yes, but he lost so even worse for him.

His skills it wasn't just the force. Quit acting like it's just the force. You're ridiculous and make blanketed silly statements.

I didn't say piloting isn't necessary I said in a one on one battle it's irrelevant.

Khan designs weapons far greater than Vader and his weapons are just superior than the ones Vader uses. He doesn't even design them. Khan wins in his ship. Period.

I love rots and you claim it was lacking in space battles your fave thing. I acknowledge facts and one universe is dynamic and one isn't. The Trek universe wins due to superior tech.

Originally posted by playa1258
So one ship can beat the whole Empire? It's unknown if the dreadnaught class is even a match for one star destroyer, and the empire has thousands of them.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Oh and btw "Current" Vader is a Powerful Force Ghost LOL

Khan's on Ice where he belongs.

Quanchi you're so Dumb sometimes.

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
He is dead and can just watch on as Khan kills his son. Khan's mind, tactical acumen, skill, strength, and cellular regeneration put him on another level than dead Vader.

😂

So you missed the whole Force Ghost thing? "More Powerful than you can possibly imagine" LOL

Originally posted by Darth Thor
So you missed the whole Force Ghost thing? "More Powerful than you can possibly imagine" LOL

Originally posted by quanchi112
Some fans not me. I prefer the lightsaber battles you prefer piloting feats like.

Episode 7 Fans are really looking forward to it. You wouldn't understand.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it is and your dislike of the prequels is now complete. Rots was the greatest Star Wars film to date. Acting like any of the ot's even approaches this film is laughable. But that's your thing not mine.

LOL Where did I say I disliked the Prequels? Your Lies continue.

I was pointing out one aspect where the OT was better, and how people are craving more of that now, because they haven't had it in a long time.

The Prequels however had the better Lightsaber fights as compared to the OT.

But to be truthful, I'm a Star Wars fan and don't really distinguish between the Trilogies. Because it's all Star Wars. It's not some rebooted junk like NUTrek.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It wasn't even that hard. In Star Wars a dog fighter is still something to be marveled at but in Star Trek it's just a ship taken out before they could even see the trek ship. Yes, he's powerful but piloting skills don't translate into personal power. In Star Wars outdated dogfighting is still in full effect but get that outdated shit out of here when it comes to Star Trek.

Yes and Vader is the top dog at that.

Tell me whose going to win in a fight, Vader in his Tie vs Mace with his Saber LOL

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan designed the weapons. Without the ship he took it over with two guys. That's an amazing feat. Khan designed the weapons unlike Vader who just had the backing of an empire. How utterly pathetic for someone with those kinds of resources to fail against rebels is downright terrible. Khan was not defeated in combat so irrelevant to a comparison.

LOL It's not his ship. Stop reaching LOL

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan's ship versus Vader's and you concede the victory.

It's not Khan's ship LOL

Khan never did Squat with that ship.

Whilst Vader Soloed a Rebel Fleet in his Tie 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Space combat is irrelevant to a versus matchup outside of space combat.

Depends on the OP.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Darth Maul is different than Opress but you conceded the point.

Yes because Opress isn't trained LOL

And I accept your concession that Solo can't beat a Powerful Sith like Maul in a Space battle. So it's clearly not just all "PILOTING SKILLS" 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
No ones piloting skills has anything to do with their personal power. Don't make nonsensical claims.

Then you simply don't get Star Wars.

Sidious specifically stated it about Luke in ESB that his destroying of the Death Star was due to his Powers.

You're butthurt over this is Epic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
His skills it wasn't just the force. Quit acting like it's just the force. You're ridiculous and make blanketed silly statements.

That's the same with Sword Fighting DUMMY. Every form of Combat requires skill on top of Force Usage for a Jedi/Sith.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't say piloting isn't necessary I said in a one on one battle it's irrelevant.

Not really Vader in his Tie vs Luke in his X-Wing IS a Very Relevant 1 v 1.

You could set up Khan in the Vengaence vs Vader in the Tie if you want but the Tie is Vader's standard ship which he uses regularly. Whilst the Vengaence is Marcus's ship. All Khan did to it was get it destroyed in 5 mins LOL

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan designs weapons far greater than Vader and his weapons are just superior than the ones Vader uses. He doesn't even design them. Khan wins in his ship. Period.

It's not Khan's ship. Stop Trolling.

Vader beats him senseless in any sort of fight. Everyone knows it. That's why you ran from my Canon Vader vs Khan challenge. Heck you run from Canon Ahsoka vs Khan LOL

Originally posted by quanchi112
I love rots and you claim it was lacking in space battles your fave thing. I acknowledge facts and one universe is dynamic and one isn't. The Trek universe wins due to superior tech.

Stop Jabbering none sense.

You're butthurt over Vader beating Sidious, Yoda, Mace, Anyone in a Space Battle is Hilarious.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He is a ghost and they can't do shit. They have to just fall back. They can't get involved. Poor Anakin. He's dead. Biased fans rely on hyperbole without anything of quantifiable value.

Clearly you don't actually watch TCW, where Qui-Gon's ghost levitated Yoda and Yoda was helpless to resist it.

Force Ghosts are more Powerful than Yoda/Sidious. Can only imagine how Powerful the Chosen One's Force Ghost is.

It's sleeping beauty Khan who can't do squat to a Force Ghost even if he stops snoring and wakes up LOL

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Episode 7 Fans are really looking forward to it. You wouldn't understand.

LOL Where did I say I disliked the Prequels? Your Lies continue.

I was pointing out one aspect where the OT was better, and how people are craving more of that now, because they haven't had it in a long time.

The Prequels however had the better Lightsaber fights as compared to the OT.

But to be truthful, I'm a Star Wars fan and don't really distinguish between the Trilogies. Because it's all Star Wars. It's not some rebooted junk like NUTrek.

Yes and Vader is the top dog at that.

Tell me whose going to win in a fight, Vader in his Tie vs Mace with his Saber LOL

LOL It's not his ship. Stop reaching LOL

It's not Khan's ship LOL

Khan never did Squat with that ship.

Whilst Vader Soloed a Rebel Fleet in his Tie 🙂

Depends on the OP.

Yes because Opress isn't trained LOL

And I accept your concession that Solo can't beat a Powerful Sith like Maul in a Space battle. So it's clearly not just all "PILOTING SKILLS" 😂

Then you simply don't get Star Wars.

Sidious specifically stated it about Luke in ESB that his destroying of the Death Star was due to his Powers.

You're butthurt over this is Epic.

That's the same with Sword Fighting DUMMY. Every form of Combat requires skill on top of Force Usage for a Jedi/Sith.

Not really Vader in his Tie vs Luke in his X-Wing IS a Very Relevant 1 v 1.

You could set up Khan in the Vengaence vs Vader in the Tie if you want but the Tie is Vader's standard ship which he uses regularly. Whilst the Vengaence is Marcus's ship. All Khan did to it was get it destroyed in 5 mins LOL

It's not Khan's ship. Stop Trolling.

Vader beats him senseless in any sort of fight. Everyone knows it. That's why you ran from my Canon Vader vs Khan challenge. Heck you run from Canon Ahsoka vs Khan LOL

Stop Jabbering none sense.

You're butthurt over Vader beating Sidious, Yoda, Mace, Anyone in a Space Battle is Hilarious.

You just chastised the prequels for lacking space battles and now change your story.

Iyo not mine. Rots had the best action of the entire film collection. A space battle here or there is alright but the lightsaber battles have always been the benchmark of the series.

You care more about space feats though so the ot's are for you whereas Rots was for me. Anyone who doesn't think each movie is its on thing is lying to himself. You want to pretend they are all the same and of equal quality. Lol!!

Star Trek came back better than ever. If they weren't good Disney wouldn't have gone after Abrams the guy who breathed life back into the Trek universe.

In a universe where dogfighting still is relevant who cares. They can't match Trek in that regard. Windu beats him in a one on one matchup but in a space battle who knows.

He designed it. Did Vader design the tie fighter ? Nah. Khan took it by right of conquest. That's even better as Vader's tie fighter was just supplied he didn't have to earn it.

Yes, it's was. He conquered and took it. He also designed it. Yes, he did. He successfully landed it despite the torpedoes going off aboard it.. He will gun Vaser down. Vader failed. He was backed by the empire.

My statement covers this so again it is irrelevant when talking personal power.

Proves my point even more so. The force is an advantage not the end all be all. You never understood that.

I do know Star Wars and I also know common sense.

Again powers was used in the most general sense. How he destroyed the Death Star has no relevance in a versus battle outside of a ship thus irrelevant.

Save the lightsaber is part of standard gear relevant to versus battles. Space battles aren't. 💃

That's why I said earlier in my post outside of a space battle. You don't comprehend much. Khan took it over and designed it. Khan earned it and designed it. Did Vader ? You concede Khan eradicates Vader in the ship he designed.

Yes, it was. I have already explained why. You ran from Khan in a straight up battle and want to argue small time because you have a small mind. You aren't taken seriously by me and lost all respect with that day of pulling out type nonsense.

Speculation. Vader is dead. He isn't beating anyone. He also failed to bring in some rebels so if what you say is true that's how bad it is for Star Wars current finest.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Clearly you don't actually watch TCW, where Qui-Gon's ghost levitated Yoda and Yoda was helpless to resist it.

Force Ghosts are more Powerful than Yoda/Sidious. Can only imagine how Powerful the Chosen One's Force Ghost is.

It's sleeping beauty Khan who can't do squat to a Force Ghost even if he stops snoring and wakes up LOL

Khan is alive and Vader isn't. Shame.

Wow The Total Butthurt here is too funny..

Originally posted by quanchi112
You again think you speak for all Star Wars fans showing yourself off as some close minded nerd who only speaks for himself.

If you were a fan you'd understand.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You just chastised the prequels for lacking space battles and now change your story.

No I didn't. You need to learn to read. I've told you before to stop wasting time Trolling these boards and go get yourself an education.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Windu beats him in a one on one matchup but in a space battle who knows.

LOL Of course Vader would beat Windu in a Space Battle. You're bias knows no bounds.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He designed it. Did Vader design the tie fighter ? Nah. Khan took it by right of conquest. That's even better as Vader's tie fighter was just supplied he didn't have to earn it.

LOL He can't fight Vader in it, because he never had it for more than 5 mins.

Anyway I accept your Concession that Khan needs to have some seriously superior fire power to even challenge Vader in a Space Battle.

Vader solo'd a Rebel fleet. Khan will never be that good. Khan dreams of being a one man army who can take out an entire fleet.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Save the lightsaber is part of standard gear relevant to versus battles. Space battles aren't. 💃

We're not even in the versus forum right now, so just chill out you Lunatic.

The Tie Advanced is Vader's standard ship.

Khan's standard ship would be the one he attacked the Starfleet council and killed Captain Pike in. Where was the Vengeance then? LOL

Vader would destroy Mace or Sidious or Yoda in a Space Battle. Khan's a Joke and not even worth mentioning.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yoda was summoned there and learned how to do so as well. The force ghosts can't help Luke nor did they. You have no feats and just speculate. You're biased.

Khan is alive and Vader isn't. Shame.

Already gave you the feat. Force Ghosts can overpower Flesh Yoda.

Khan's a loser put to sleep for eternity, whereas Anakin is more Powerful than Khan can even imagine, for all eternity.

I know who I'd rather be 😂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPFIn8dW3Fk

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Wow The Total Butthurt here is too funny..

If you were a fan you'd understand.

No I didn't. You need to learn to read. I've told you before to stop wasting time Trolling these boards and go get yourself an education.

LOL Of course Vader would beat Windu in a Space Battle. You're bias knows no bounds.

LOL He can't fight Vader in it, because he never had it for more than 5 mins.

Anyway I accept your Concession that Khan needs to have some seriously superior fire power to even challenge Vader in a Space Battle.

Vader solo'd a Rebel fleet. Khan will never be that good. Khan dreams of being a one man army who can take out an entire fleet.

We're not even in the versus forum right now, so just chill out you Lunatic.

The Tie Advanced is Vader's standard ship.

Khan's standard ship would be the one he attacked the Starfleet council and killed Captain Pike in. Where was the Vengeance then? LOL

Vader would destroy Mace or Sidious or Yoda in a Space Battle. Khan's a Joke and not even worth mentioning.

No, you only speak for yourself. You also tried speaking for James Cameron. You're bitter and kind of crazy.

I correct you all the time and you've always been proven wrong by ME.

I said who knows because I don't know Windu's skill as a pilot. Calm down. I like Vader way more than Windu. Windu's coolness as a character is less than zero.

That isn't a rule and we don't know how long he had control of it. Khan in the ship he designed crushes Vader in his shitty tie fighter he didn't even design.

Khan in his dreadnought class ship would annihilate the same fleet. Vader failed though. Khan is so good Spock and Kirk marveled in awe at his sheer battle prowess.

So you concede.

In a space battle one has to specify it. Thor has the be,t of strength but he doesn't get it in all versus threads unless specified. You sound like someone new here. Nah. That's just a smaller ship he used to attack them in.

Perhaps. I don't know. Khan in the USS Vengeance annihilates them all in space combat.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Already gave you the feat. Force Ghosts can overpower Flesh Yoda.

Khan's a loser put to sleep for eternity, whereas Anakin is more Powerful than Khan can even imagine, for all eternity.

I know who I'd rather be 😂

Anakin was forced to live in a suit because he was horribly burned. Khan's blood can reverse diseases and in the right setting bring people back to life. Anakin also slaughtered kids and has immeasurable guilt for his actions because he's a pansy. Khan>>>>>Vader.

Originally posted by Aurbere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPFIn8dW3Fk

Originally posted by quanchi112

Perhaps. I don't know. Khan in the USS Vengeance annihilates them all in space combat.

Except he doesn't have the Vengaence. Only did so once to get defeated.

I accept your concession that Khan has Zero Space Combat feats and No Match for Vader at all in that department.

Vader solo'd a Rebel fleet. Khan got defeated by Spock. In Space and on Earth.

Originally posted by Aurbere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPFIn8dW3Fk

Yuk

Not even if I was super duper gay.