Peak Power Onslaught vs H/P Doomsday...

Originally posted by Utrigita
So you would give Peak Power Onslaught the win over, say for instance, Thanos, Zeus, H'el? Just trying to get a outline.

Imo:

Thanos (along with Grandmaster) represents the top of the Trans Tier or the bottom of Skyfather...I'd give a thumbs up to either of them being in either position as strong arguments could be made for both of them being Skyfathers.

Based on what we've seen of them, I'd give Onslaught a 6 or 7/10 split against Thanos...but thats just my honest opinion.

Zeus is a High Skyfather; just a sliver behind Odin...

I'd pick him to beat Onslaught 10/10; I think Onslaught gives him good fights though...

Not sure where I'd tier H'el....

I guess a better analogy (as Thanos/H'El have other powers and abilities) is how you'd think WWH would do against Onslaught.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I guess a better analogy (as Thanos/H'El have other powers and abilities) is how you'd think WWH would do against Onslaught.

Without PIS being a factor; ie, the need for versatile characters to mindlessly brawl with Hulk when they could deal with him many different ways, I'd pick Onslaught to win 10/10...

Brawling with hulk won't even be a loss,the best hulk will do is break his armour,then what?

Originally posted by Genii96
Brawling with hulk won't even be a loss,the best hulk will do is break his armour,then what?

Excellent point...

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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
HP Doomsday faced nothing on par with Solar level reality warp, and remember Doomsday was harmed by far less than this level of power...

Solar level reality warp>>>>>>Darkseids Omega Beams.

Again with the assumption that this is "solar level". It sounds better than what it was actually shown in the comics, which it was a unknown size sun on top of Manhattan, but lets ignore this and keep going.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

Remember, reality warp can change the rules of physics/reality on a fly...this level of reality warp is beyond Darkseid as represented in HP.

Now show evidence of onslaught reality warp transmutating someone invulnerable, instead of thin air being changed into hydrogen and helium. Reality warp is basically molecular manipulation. and thin air does not has any defenses against it regardless if it is one molecule or 1 million of them.

Originally posted by Genii96
Brawling with hulk won't even be a loss,the best hulk will do is break his armour,then what?

And Doomsday has been shown to affecting, adapting and canceling energy beings

How does that help him here? He can't adapt to reality warping and I haven't seen any psionic defences on the level of what onslaught can dish out

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Again with the assumption that this is "solar level". It sounds better than what it was [b]actually shown in the comics, which it was a unknown size sun on top of Manhattan, but lets ignore this and keep going.

Now show evidence of onslaught reality warp transmutating someone invulnerable, instead of thin air being changed into hydrogen and helium. Reality warp is basically molecular manipulation. and thin air does not has any defenses against it regardless if it is one molecule or 1 million of them. [/B]

Reality warp is more than molecular manipulation; its changing reality as you see fit regardless of wether the laws of physics would normally forbid it or not...

Proteus, a far weaker reality warper, once changed how gravity behaved against the Xmen; this goes far beyond just manipulating molecules...this is dictating how reality works as a whole.

I hope you understand the difference between a molecule and a fundamental universal force; reality warp is control of reality on a much deeper level than molecular manipulation could ever be...

And HP Doomsday was not Invulnerable as you wrongly state; he was harmed by a Sonic Weapon among other things...

If something so lowly was able to cause him pain, then how is he going to endure Solar level reality warp?

The answer: he will not...

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
And Doomsday has been shown to affecting, adapting and canceling energy beings

That only happened after being killed by the Radiant...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Reality warp is more than molecular manipulation; its changing reality as you see fit regardless of wether the laws of physics would normally forbid it or not...

Proteus, a far weaker reality warper, once changed how gravity behaved against the Xmen; this goes far beyond just manipulating molecules...this is dictating how reality works as a whole.

I hope you understand the difference between a molecule and a fundamental universal force; reality warp is control of reality on a much deeper level than molecular manipulation could ever be...

And HP Doomsday was not Invulnerable as you wrongly state; he was harmed by a Sonic Weapon among other things...

If something so lowly was able to cause him pain, then how is he going to endure Solar level reality warp?

The answer: he will not...

So no evidence?

In comics reality warping can be countered with something as vague an simple as "force of will" and I think a being that has being killed thousands of times and comesback or that challenges guardians has a lot of will.

So far the only thing you have as your argument is Onslaught affecting thin air and nothing else and then trying to apply a no limits fallacy which it has been pointed out to you previously by other posters not only me.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
That only happened after being killed by the Radiant...

He has adapted to the giardians energies with out being killed he caused feedback on waverider with out being killed, he tanked a combined energy attack from the JLA with out being killed, so youbare just trying to ignore all his showings by focusing on only the instance that might suit your argument?

Originally posted by Genii96
How does that help him here? He can't adapt to reality warping and I haven't seen any psionic defences on the level of what onslaught can dish out

He has adapted to several energies as a matter of fact survived an explosion that open a whole in reality, so right there he has survived forces powerful enough to tear reality apart 🙂

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
So no evidence?

In comics reality warping can be countered with something as vague an simple as "force of will" and I think a being that has being killed thousands of times and comesback or that challenges guardians has a lot of will.

So far the only thing you have as your argument is Onslaught affecting thin air and nothing else and then trying to apply a no limits fallacy which it has been pointed out to you previously by other posters not only me.

I have all the evidence I need...

Dude, a sonic gun hurt Doomsday, thats all the evidence I need that he cant stand up to high end reality warp...

Just give it up; Doomsday loses here...

Onslaught is beyond him...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I have all the evidence I need...

Dude, a sonic gun hurt Doomsday, thats all the evidence I need that he cant stand up to high end reality warp...

Just give it up; Doomsday loses here...

Onslaught is beyond him...

Doomsday survived an explosion that open a tear in reality and he only got ko and that was before DOS, on HP he is just much more stronger than that.

So he has feats in which he has survived reality shattering forces. He has all the evidence to back it up that he wins in here.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Doomsday survived an explosion that open a tear in reality and he only got ko and that was before DOS, on HP he is just much more stronger than that.

So he has feats in which he has survived reality shattering forces. He has all the evidence to back it up that he wins in here.

Surviving a big explosion is not equal to having your essense twisted inside out; reality warp affects you at your most basic level...having tough skin isnt enough to resist it.

Nothing Doomsday faced during Hunter/Prey was on the level of high end reality warp...

And once again, Doomsday has been harmed by far less than Solar level reality warp...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Surviving a big explosion is not equal to having your essense twisted inside out...

Nothing Doomsday faced during Hunter/Prey was on the level of high end reality warp...

And once again, Doomsday has been harmed by far less than Solar level reality warp...

Surviving a big explosion that basically tears reality appart is not similar to a reality warp? No actualy you are correct reality warp BENDS reality, the explosion DD survived actually BROKE reality.

And I know you want to keep clinging to being harmed by a sonic attack but reality shattering forces >>>>>>> reality bending forces. IMO

Solar level reality warp>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sonic Gun.

The Sonic Gun hurt HP Doomsday...

Solar level Reality Warp will destroy him utterly...

Again reality shattering forces >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reality bending forces.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Surviving a big explosion that basically tears reality appart is not similar to a reality warp? No actualy you are correct reality warp BENDS reality, the explosion DD survived actually BROKE reality.

And I know you want to keep clinging to being harmed by a sonic attack but reality shattering forces >>>>>>> reality bending forces. IMO

Reality warp is more than bending reality...

Reality warp is breaking it and making it do anything you can think of...