Peak Power Onslaught vs H/P Doomsday...

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I saw it and I read the whole arc. There is no indication that the sun was even visible on other parts of the world. As a matter of fact it seem that everything Onslaught did was localized to Manhattan.

Also there is NOTHING indicating that this sun was "Solar scale" , since ALL the feats Onslaught did on that arc were localized to Manhattan it is safer to assume a smaller scale that what it's been suggested., imo

LoL!!!

Really!??

The characters in the story, including Marvels scientist supreme Reed Richards, says it was a sun, yet you still dispute it...

The mass of even the smallest star craps all over the mass of a mansized object; I believe the minimum mass of a Red Dwarf is somewhere in th neighborhood of 80 times the mass of Jupiter...

Anyway, writers typically use characters to tell a story; Marvels number one scientist says it was a star; thus its a star...

Sorry I take Reeds belief over yours any day...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
LoL!!!

Really!??

The characters in the story, including Marvels scientist supreme Reed Richards, says it was a sun, yet you still dispute it...

The mass of even the smallest star craps all over the mass of a mansized object; I believe the minimum mass of a Red Dwarf is somewhere in th neighborhood of 80 times the mass of Jupiter...

Anyway, writers typically use characters to tell a story; Marvels number one scientist says it was a star; thus its a star...

Sorry I take Reeds belief over yours any day...

It was a sun? Yes

What was the size? Who knows, all I can tell is that it seems that the only ones who saw that sun were the residents on Manhattan and since all Onslaught feats were localized to Manhattan, I will not claim that it was "solar scale" based on the localized effect of his other feats and that apparently no one else but the resident's of Manhattan saw it, it will be safer to assume that it was localized and not "solar size"

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
It was a sun? Yes

Thanks for admitting it was a star... 👆

Even a small star is incredibly more massive than any planet in our solar system...

There is nothing Manhattan scale about the mass of any star...

So if Onslaught is reality warping this much mass, Doomsdays mass is less than nothing to him...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

Even a small star is incredibly more massive than any planet in our solar system...

There are types of stars smaller than Texas

Originally posted by Decter
There are types of stars smaller than Texas

I knew someone would fail to read and say something along these lines...

I said there is nothing Manhattan scale about the mass of a star...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Thanks for admitting it was a star... 👆

Even a small star is incredibly more massive than any planet in our solar system...

There is nothing Manhattan scale about the mass of any star...

So if Onslaught is reality warping this much mass, Doomsdays mass is less than nothing to him...

In comics stars or suns can be of ANY size. Comes to mind Atom's dwarf star.

If a "star" is only seen in Manhattan what size should it be?

For sure is not "solar mass" imo

At best your claim of "solar scale" is iffy and I will never claim it as fact.

Also DD mass has much better energy resistent feats than thin air, IMO

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
In comics stars or suns can be of ANY size. Comes to mind Atom's dwarf star.

If a "star" is only seen in Manhattan what size should it be?

For sure is not "solar mass" imo

At best your claim of "solar scale" is iffy and I will never claim it as fact.

Also DD mass has much better energy resistent feats than thin air, IMO

How do you know the star was only seen in Manhattan?

What's your proof?

Of course you've already stated that you won't accept the on panel evidence as a fact; evidently you know that if you admit that the star was Solar mass, you know you lose this debate...

Maybe we should get a mod ruling on this...

Onslaught clearly created a second star and it was stated its gravity would kill everyone there if they didn't act....the amount of mass a star has(even a tiny one) compared to a human sized object is not even comparable

Originally posted by Genii96
Onslaught clearly created a second star and it was stated its gravity would kill everyone there if they didn't act....the amount of mass a star has(even a tiny one) compared to a human sized object is not even comparable

👆

And it wasn't just called a star,it was called a 'second sun' whose heat would 'melt the planet' and whose gravity would 'wipe out every living thing first'
All points out that it was the size of our native sun,not even a small one,not that it matters

Originally posted by Genii96
And it wasn't just called a star,it was called a 'second sun' whose heat would 'melt the planet' and whose gravity would 'wipe out every living thing first'
All points out that it was the size of our native sun,not even a small one,not that it matters

Preach it!

Of course Rao wont accept your accurate reasoning...why?

Because to accept it would mean that he also concedes that Doomsday cant stand up to this level of reality warp...

@Rao

One more bullet point...

You asked earlier why am I giving Onslaught Franklin feats; further you asked why don't I just make a Franklin vs Doomsday thread...

First off, I am not giving Onslaught Franklin feats; the feats I am presenting are those representative of what Peak Power Onslaught has performed on panel...

Remember, Peak Power Onslaught is Onslaught leeching Franklin and Nate, so all feats accomplished at this time are fair game for Onslaught...

So you see, there is no need to create a Franklin/Doomsday thread; Peak Power Onslaughts feats are good enough to net him the win here...

Franklin vs Doomsday is horrific spite vs Doomsday...

But this goes back to the Flash and or/Superman and/or Surfer.

The bell rings.

Does Flash immediately spam millions of IMPs, create SpeedForce armour constructs that can change with his thoughts, vibrate people's hearts out, time travel to kill them as babies, alter their brain chemistry etc etc, all at the speed of light at the start of the fight?

Does Superman sing everyone out of existence, after using HV that can create Big Bangs and going intangible?

Does Surfer open up black holes in peoeple's brains, after soul sucking everyone, using his board at millions of c's worth into their backs, whilst mentally attacking them? All this after using his cosmic awareness to pinpoint their exact weakness?

Of course, these are all heroes. none of them kill. The point remains, though. All the feats I just mentioned, happened, on-panel, in canon books.

Why didn't Onslaught just warp all the heroes present into ducklings?

Surely, he can, right? The mass of a sun/star as accurately pointed out by Genii and LoM is incredible, especially when compared to the pithy little mass the heroes were packing.

So why didn't he?

CIS? CIP? PIS? Two of these are still in effect in a forum fight.

Maybe he was unable to?

Lets assume for the moment that the size of the sun is irrelevant and that you are correct (which like I said is iffy to call it "solar mass"😉 but for the sake of the argument lets assume you are correct.

What makes you think that thin air is as invulnerable and as resistant as HP DD?
After all HP DD has feats of handling several types of energies with out being harmed and adapring on the fly, as a matter of fact resisted Darkseid's omega beams wich are basically molecular disruption.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But this goes back to the Flash and or/Superman and/or Surfer.

The bell rings.

Does Flash immediately spam millions of IMPs, create SpeedForce armour constructs that can change with his thoughts, vibrate people's hearts out, time travel to kill them as babies, alter their brain chemistry etc etc, all at the speed of light at the start of the fight?

Does Superman sing everyone out of existence, after using HV that can create Big Bangs and going intangible?

Does Surfer open up black holes in peoeple's brains, after soul sucking everyone, using his board at millions of c's worth into their backs, whilst mentally attacking them? All this after using his cosmic awareness to pinpoint their exact weakness?

Of course, these are all heroes. none of them kill. The point remains, though. All the feats I just mentioned, happened, on-panel, in canon books.

Why didn't Onslaught just warp all the heroes present into ducklings?

Surely, he can, right? The mass of a sun/star as accurately pointed out by Genii and LoM is incredible, especially when compared to the pithy little mass the heroes were packing.

So why didn't he?

CIS? CIP? PIS? Two of these are still in effect in a forum fight.

Maybe he was unable to?

He didnt do it because of PIS...

If the heroes show up and Onslaught instantly ends things with extreme reality warp, then what happens to sales?

The marvel comic fan outcry would have been immense...

PIS is not present in forum fights, thus there is nothing stopping Onslaught from unleashing Franklin and Nates full power and crushing Doomsday like a bug...

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Lets assume for the moment that the size of the sun is irrelevant and that you are correct (which like I said is iffy to call it "solar mass"😉 but for the sake of the argument lets assume you are correct.

[B]What makes you think that thin air is as invulnerable and as resistant as HP DD?
After all HP DD has feats of handling several types of energies with out being harmed and adapring on the fly, as a matter of fact resisted Darkseid's omega beams wich are basically molecular disruption. [/B]

HP Doomsday faced nothing on par with Solar level reality warp, and remember Doomsday was harmed by far less than this level of power...

Solar level reality warp>>>>>>Darkseids Omega Beams.

Remember, reality warp can change the rules of physics/reality on a fly...this level of reality warp is beyond Darkseid as represented in HP.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
He didnt do it because of PIS...

If the heroes show up and Onslaught instantly ends things with extreme reality warp, then what happens to sales?

The marvel comic fan outcry would have been immense...

PIS is not present in forum fights, thus there is nothing stopping Onslaught from unleashing Franklin and Nates full power and crushing Doomsday like a bug...

If this is your opinion, why make the thread? Rather spitey, don't you think? Especially given the 'bug' analogy.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If this is your opinion, why make the thread? Rather spitey, don't you think? Especially given the 'bug' analogy.

You're right; it does sound spitey when put like that...

I overstated it...

I do feel like HP Doomsday is extremely formidable; I'd honestly put him near the top of the Trans Tier...

But I do believe that Peak Power Onslaught is a bit better than him...

Onslaught never fully realized Franklin and Nates power, but what he demonstrated puts him (imo of course) in the Low Skyfather range..

Given that, I thought both characters are close enough in overall performance to make for interesting debate...and this thread has been exactly that.

So you would give Peak Power Onslaught the win over, say for instance, Thanos, H'el? Just trying to get a outline.