Peak Power Onslaught vs H/P Doomsday...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Brainiac is multiversal, so you'd have to prove that what Onsalught did is beyond Brainiac....

Martian Manhunter, who can do what you have detailed, was defeated when he tried to use telepathy on Doomsday.

Edit: It was a weaker Doomsday as well.

One more thing...

Based on what we know these are the facts:

1) Doomsday is vulnerable to Mind Control...

2) Martian Manhunter is not powerful enough to control him...

3) Brainiac is powerful enough to control him...

These facts dont automatically add to one needing to be multiversal to mind control Doomsday...

So far, the only feat of TP resistance you've brought forth is that Martian Manhunters power is not enough to control Doomsday...

Onslaught leeching Franklin and Nate is far beyond Martian Manhunter...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
One more thing...

Based on what we know these are the facts:

1) Doomsday is vulnerable to Mind Control...

2) Martian Manhunter is not powerful enough to control him...

3) Brainiac is powerful enough to control him...

These facts dont automatically add to one needing to be multiversal to mind control Doomsday...

So far, the only feat of TP resistance you've brought forth is that Martian Manhunters power is not enough to control Doomsday...

Onslaught leeching Franklin and Nate is far beyond Martian Manhunter...

But based on actual feats, not hype, Onslaught has not done anything that MM can't replicate. Not, 'oh, Xavier+Franklin + XX' hype, actual feats.

Hulk, when he had his intelligence turned off, was too much for Onslaught to control.

Which shows that H/P Doomsday, lacking the intelligence, would be too much for Onslaught.

Not to mention, it was a WEAKER Doomsday that resisted MM.

Brainiac, despite being multiversal, was actually WEAKENING in his control DESPITE his best efforts.

Why is Brainiac multiversal? What has he done? Would you say Doomsday was as strong as that version of Hulk that fought Onslaught?

Retcon as of the recent DC storyline

😐

Originally posted by carver9
Nothing was ever said about him wanting his armor breached.

True.

For Pr:

One hardly needs Doomsday Rex level of power to break him, let alone H/P Doomsday.

This is the Brainiac showing, btw. And even then, he was unable to control him for long:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True.

For Pr:

One hardly needs Doomsday Rex level of power to break him, let alone H/P Doomsday.

Is that the same one that had Nate and Franklin powers in him (I already know the answer to that question).?

Originally posted by carver9
Is that the same one that had Nate and Franklin powers in him (I already know the answer to that question).?

What did he do with said powers to bolster his durability?

And if Cyclops/IW (meta tiers here) can damage pre-Nate/Franklin, what do you think a guy with skyfather tier -level strength could do?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What did he do with said powers to bolster his durability?

And if Cyclops/IW (meta tiers here) can damage pre-Nate/Franklin, what do you think a guy with skyfather tier -level strength could do?

The hero's combined couldn't do a thing to him which is the reason Mindless Hulk showed up. Also, Hulk punches>>>>>the showing you just provided. Remember, the shockwaves were knocking everyone back and had high tier beings struggling to advance. One punch from Hulk, that version of Hulk>>>>>>>>>>>Cyclops optic blast and Onslaught was handling them just fine until Hulk amped up.

Originally posted by carver9
The hero's combined couldn't do a thing to him which is the reason Mindless Hulk showed up. Also, Hulk punches>>>>>the showing you just provided. Remember, the shockwaves were knocking everyone back and had high tier beings struggling to advance. One punch from Hulk, that version of Hulk>>>>>>>>>>>Cyclops optic blast and Onslaught was handling them just fine until Hulk amped up.

Wait, are you using collateral damage to judge a fight, dear carver?

Originally posted by carver9
I don't debate off of collateral damage. Dark does (whenever it suits him).

Originally posted by carver9
The hero's combined couldn't do a thing to him which is the reason Mindless Hulk showed up. Also, Hulk punches>>>>>the showing you just provided. Remember, the shockwaves were knocking everyone back and had high tier beings struggling to advance. One punch from Hulk, that version of Hulk>>>>>>>>>>>Cyclops optic blast and Onslaught was handling them just fine until Hulk amped up.

Originally posted by carver9

Aegis took Galactus out with a blast that didn't even raise the dirt under their ft.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/84223/1841553-1070333_annihilation1_029_super_1_.jpg

Surfer hits Ravenous with an attack that levels a planet.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103729/3938510-5992836642-35100.jpg

Which attack is more powerful?

Wise words, carver. Wise words. Wait, are you trying to say collateral damage does not count? Or it DOES count? I get so confused sometimes.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait, are you using collateral damage to judge a fight, dear carver?

No, not collateral damage. I brought up "putting fear in everyone's heart" for a reason. It's also obvious that Hulk power output is higher than Cyclops. Especially Mindless Hulk unless you think Cyclops optic blast is>>> Hulk punches?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This is the Brainiac showing, btw. And even then, he was unable to control him for long:

👆 Yep, it is a pretty shitty showing for Doomsday to be mind controlled by Brainiac a guy who basically created an exact Supearman construct replica on earth while in a comatose state and under supervision of Metron in New Genesis.

After all is not like he one shotted the New Gods when he woke up from the coma.

I mean the distance from New Genesis to Earth is minimal and to create an exact body replica of Superman while in a comatose state is something any psionic character can do. 😬

Also is not like he hasn't mind raped psionic characters like Dubilex for example.

Oh also is not like DD wasn't weakened from near death by entrophy right?

Assuming DD is strong enough to breach Onslaught's armor, what then? He's now facing an enemy comprised of pure psionic energy.

Originally posted by 80sBaby
Assuming DD is strong enough to breach Onslaught's armor, what then? He's now facing an enemy comprised of pure psionic energy.

energy?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
energy?

👆 yep! Is not like Radiant and Waveryder are made of energy. Also is not like he can mess with GL energies.

Originally posted by carver9
No, not collateral damage. I brought up "putting fear in everyone's heart" for a reason. It's also obvious that Hulk power output is higher than Cyclops. Especially Mindless Hulk unless you think Cyclops optic blast is>>> Hulk punches?

So why bring up shockwaves? And 'struggling to advance'?

I don't know who has more power, I am just posting what limited showings Onslaught has, in a canon comic.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So why bring up shockwaves? And 'struggling to advance'?

I don't know who has more power, I am just posting what limited showings Onslaught has, in a canon comic.

You posted a weaker version of Onslaught though which is the reason I pointed you out.

So all but Carver believe DD beats the over hyped Onslaught.