Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
At one point Parallax (Hal) was Multiversal, so the power is somwhere in between Trans and Multiversal, depending on story and intention. I would say the Guardian are about Low to Mid Skyfather, sans Krona and such, still far below the classic celestials. Arhishem could solo them all. I could see Parallax (Zero Hour) soloing the whole Celestial race though.
Parallax got nerfed.
Originally posted by Stoic
Parallax got nerfed.
The DCnU Parallax and the post Zero Hour Parallax though there is still Zero Hour Hal Parallax out there and how the entities are connected has to be seen.
Anyway. As for this thread, Classic Celestials win without much trouble, the weaksauce Celestials might lose some of their numbers but win also.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
The ones that were oneshot by Reeds guns or Susan.
individually the Guardians haven't been impressive, but collectively they have some pretty good feats. Some of the ones that haven't been mentioned:
-contained all the magic in DC's creation which was then specifically said to spread into the omniverse - a pre-crisis feat but still applicable in post-FP continuity.
-when Nekron attacked DCU for the first time, they were able to keep entire solar systems, even galaxies from collapsing.
-they defeated TDHD an entity which was able to warp an entire galaxy instantly.
-let's also not forget they were the ones who created the CPB which was shown to be able to create a black hole big enough to swallow the entire universe
- stopped several quantum singularities
- they damaged SCW AM who was tapping into the power of the positive-matter multiverse.
-Volthoom's power directly came from the guardians, and he was about to restart the big bang.
In terms of indiivudal showings, Ganthet actually stomped Kilowog, guy and john who were all amped on Parallax's power; one of them was able to solo the entire JLA. Ganthet also withstood entropy. And at one point it was mentioned that his consciousness spans the entire cosmos.
John once ascended into Guardian-hood and was able to singlehandedly defeat JLI, Hal and Kilowog easily.
A single controller was beating half a dozen GLs + some of the legionnaires and darkstars.
There are many instances where a Guardian is handling top lanterns like Kyle or Hal with a wave of a hand but i don't think that deserves even mentioning despite some of the comments here. Anyway the Guardians collectively could stand up to a celestial, but they get wiped out in a second by several Celestials.
Regarding Parallax:
Zero Hour Parallax = Parallax + full CPB + Time Trapper's power + energies from the left overs of COIE.
Final Night Parallax = left overs of CPB (retconned later on to having full power of CPB)
Ion 1 = full CPB + Oblivion energies.
Ion 2 = Ion 1 + Jade's starheart power (though overall he was weaker than Ion 1 - kinda contradictory).
Kyle Rejuvenating the source is an abstract level feat since it was told over and over again that all of creation is powered by the emotional spectrum, which Kyle restored. Hell it was outright shown on panel how the previous creation was destroyed when the reservoir was emptied. Relic was its survivor.
Originally posted by CogitoTbf, it seemed like the Guardians knew that might be a possibility:
BFR'd and supercharged him.
"IF he survived... He was warped into the multiverse."
But yeah, I would agree that the Guardian was physically overpowering Prime and holding him against his will, prior to detonating:
Whole scene:
http://i.imgur.com/4SiEvtb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qAXMoIY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/m8K2hSy.jpg
*We also see that the Guardians' blasts were capable of hurting a rampaging Prime--which is a feat in itself.
Originally posted by operator616While this is technically true, it really cannot be denied that Guardians as a whole have been portrayed as vastly less powerful since Johns took the reigns. Unfortunately.
a pre-crisis feat but still applicable in post-FP continuity.
Originally posted by operator616Hal 'God-Will' Jordan was required for that. 👆
-Volthoom's power directly came from the guardians, and he was about to restart the big bang.
Originally posted by Cogito
This is what you consider "overpowered convincingly"? This is 100% of the fight. Literally all the Guardian did was suicide when it appeared SBP was going to kill him anyways. And it didn't hurt SBP, it BFRd him.
Well if you don't think SBP asking for help like a baby is getting overpowered, I don't know what is.
1. The entities died to do that
2. It's not an abstract level feat. Just because it's difficult to quantify doesn't mean its abstract level. The entities post Ion I haven't done anything abstract level.
The whole of reality was going to die because of depletion of source wall. He filled the reservoir.
Why isn't it quantifiable?
Based on what? Kyle is one of my favorite characters, but becoming a white lantern didn't make him any more powerful, and he sure as shit didn't do anything skyfather level with the entities.
Like filling the source wall?
Based on what? What have Johns' Guardians done to even rate as mid-high trans? Thanos would shitstomp them ffs
Now that's just silly.
You're too hung up on absolutely nothing, because that's what the Guardians' feats amount to.
Yeah, right.
Originally posted by operator616
individually the Guardians haven't been impressive, but collectively they have some pretty good feats. Some of the ones that haven't been mentioned:-contained all the magic in DC's creation which was then specifically said to spread into the omniverse - a pre-crisis feat but still applicable in post-FP continuity.
-when Nekron attacked DCU for the first time, they were able to keep entire solar systems, even galaxies from collapsing.
-they defeated TDHD an entity which was able to warp an entire galaxy instantly.
-let's also not forget they were the ones who created the CPB which was shown to be able to create a black hole big enough to swallow the entire universe
- stopped several quantum singularities
- they damaged SCW AM who was tapping into the power of the positive-matter multiverse.
-Volthoom's power directly came from the guardians, and he was about to restart the big bang.
In terms of indiivudal showings, Ganthet actually stomped Kilowog, guy and john who were all amped on Parallax's power; one of them was able to solo the entire JLA. Ganthet also withstood entropy. And at one point it was mentioned that his consciousness spans the entire cosmos.
John once ascended into Guardian-hood and was able to singlehandedly defeat JLI, Hal and Kilowog easily.
A single controller was beating half a dozen GLs + some of the legionnaires and darkstars.
There are many instances where a Guardian is handling top lanterns like Kyle or Hal with a wave of a hand but i don't think that deserves even mentioning despite some of the comments here. Anyway the Guardians collectively could stand up to a celestial, but they get wiped out in a second by several Celestials.
Regarding Parallax:
Zero Hour Parallax = Parallax + full CPB + Time Trapper's power + energies from the left overs of COIE.
Final Night Parallax = left overs of CPB (retconned later on to having full power of CPB)
Ion 1 = full CPB + Oblivion energies.
Ion 2 = Ion 1 + Jade's starheart power (though overall he was weaker than Ion 1 - kinda contradictory).
Kyle Rejuvenating the source [B]is
an abstract level feat since it was told over and over again that all of creation is powered by the emotional spectrum, which Kyle restored. Hell it was outright shown on panel how the previous creation was destroyed when the reservoir was emptied. Relic was its survivor. [/B]
Nice list.
Originally posted by operator616
individually the Guardians haven't been impressive, but collectively they have some pretty good feats. Some of the ones that haven't been mentioned:-contained all the magic in DC's creation which was then specifically said to spread into the omniverse - a pre-crisis feat but still applicable in post-FP continuity.
-when Nekron attacked DCU for the first time, they were able to keep entire solar systems, even galaxies from collapsing.
-they defeated TDHD an entity which was able to warp an entire galaxy instantly.
-let's also not forget they were the ones who created the CPB which was shown to be able to create a black hole big enough to swallow the entire universe
- stopped several quantum singularities
- they damaged SCW AM who was tapping into the power of the positive-matter multiverse.
-Volthoom's power directly came from the guardians, and he was about to restart the big bang.
In terms of indiivudal showings, Ganthet actually stomped Kilowog, guy and john who were all amped on Parallax's power; one of them was able to solo the entire JLA. Ganthet also withstood entropy. And at one point it was mentioned that his consciousness spans the entire cosmos.
John once ascended into Guardian-hood and was able to singlehandedly defeat JLI, Hal and Kilowog easily.
A single controller was beating half a dozen GLs + some of the legionnaires and darkstars.
There are many instances where a Guardian is handling top lanterns like Kyle or Hal with a wave of a hand but i don't think that deserves even mentioning despite some of the comments here. Anyway the Guardians collectively could stand up to a celestial, but they get wiped out in a second by several Celestials.
Regarding Parallax:
Zero Hour Parallax = Parallax + full CPB + Time Trapper's power + energies from the left overs of COIE.
Final Night Parallax = left overs of CPB (retconned later on to having full power of CPB)
Ion 1 = full CPB + Oblivion energies.
Ion 2 = Ion 1 + Jade's starheart power (though overall he was weaker than Ion 1 - kinda contradictory).
Kyle Rejuvenating the source [B]is
an abstract level feat since it was told over and over again that all of creation is powered by the emotional spectrum, which Kyle restored. Hell it was outright shown on panel how the previous creation was destroyed when the reservoir was emptied. Relic was its survivor. [/B]
Originally posted by Zack MThere's this:
Isn't there a feat that ganthet kept a planet intact with his mind? Or is that a myth?
srug
Originally posted by Galan007
While this is technically true, it really cannot be denied that Guardians as a whole have been portrayed as vastly less powerful since Johns took the reigns. Unfortunately.
They may not have the high showings they previously showed by they don't have the lows either. In the PC era, there were instances where the likes of Hammond, evil star and Sinestro were portrayed as overpowering the guardians, there was even a creature who, despite unable to mindrape black canary, was able to mindrape the guardians. IIRC Johns actually retconned those showings away by establishing the concept of "guardians don't act even if they are in danger". He's not all that bad.
Originally posted by Galan007Hal 'God-Will' Jordan was required for that. 👆
Right. Though i remember he was still packing enough energy to destroy the universe with a chain reaction in the end.
