Gaurdians of the Universe vs The Celestials

Originally posted by abhilegend
Krona fighting Guardians with Nekron is referenced several times post crisis.

Yup, hence the pre crisis feats are applicable. The first 3 i mentioned are PC feats, and there's no reason to assume any PC event is inapplicable (apart from character relations) considering that there are post-Crisis issues which even reference random Pre-Crisis issues and not just major events like the one you posted.

Originally posted by kevdude
Nice list operator! Let's not forget that, Ion 1 = full CPB + Oblivion energies + the Guardians life force/power. They returned when Kyle have up all that power.

I was under the impression that Kyle recreated them anew. The original guardians sacrificed themselves to preserve Ganthet, so Kyle had to recreate the guardians from scratch.

Originally posted by operator616
They may not have the high showings they previously showed by they don't have the lows either. In the PC era, there were instances where the likes of Hammond, evil star and Sinestro were portrayed as overpowering the guardians, there was even a creature who, despite unable to mindrape black canary, was able to mindrape the guardians. IIRC Johns actually retconned those showings away by establishing the concept of "guardians don't act even if they are in danger". He's not all that bad.

Originally posted by operator616
Right. Though i remember he was still packing enough energy to destroy the universe with a chain reaction in the end.

At the very least, Volthoom>EVERY Guardian, and EVERY Lantern Corps. He swatted all of them aside, effortlessly. The only real exception was Black Lantern Hal, who, with the help of Sinestrollax, was able to drain Volthoom of all his power. However, that certainly isn't a low feat for 'thoom, considering that in the very same comic, Hal was stated to be a will-power Nexus point that was =/> the Central Power Battery, and likened to the spark that triggered the original big bang. Hal also made Nekron his slave/b*tch.

Sinestrollax might also be considered an exception, but he was not more powerful than Volthoom overall.

Originally posted by operator616
I was under the impression that Kyle recreated them anew. The original guardians sacrificed themselves to preserve Ganthet, so Kyle had to recreate the guardians from scratch.

Originally posted by Galan007

I believe Volthoom still had to extract Hal's 'spark' before he could definitively operate on a universal scale, but I don't care enough to look.

The reason Hal didn't outright kill Volthoom is because if he did the emotional energy inside him would trigger a universe destroying chain reaction. Hence why he drained him.

Originally posted by Galan007

At the very least, Volthoom>EVERY Guardian, and EVERY Lantern Corps. He swatted all of them aside, effortlessly. The only real exception was Black Lantern Hal, who, with the help of Sinestrollax, was able to drain Volthoom of all his power. However, that certainly isn't a low feat for 'thoom, considering that in the very same comic, Hal was stated to be a will-power Nexus point that was =/> the Central Power Battery, and likened to the spark that triggered the original big bang. Hal also made Nekron his slave/b*tch.

Sinestrollax might also be considered an exception, but he was not more powerful than Volthoom overall.

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Originally posted by Galan007

Hm, i forgot that part. So i stand corrected.

The very fact that a Guardian had to suicide bomb SBP in order to take him out should tell you something in regards to how they'd fair against the Celestials.

Originally posted by operator616
The reason Hal didn't outright kill Volthoom is because if he did the emotional energy inside him would trigger a universe destroying chain reaction. Hence why he drained him.

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Celestials stomp.

Originally posted by Surtur
The very fact that a Guardian had to suicide bomb SBP in order to take him out should tell you something in regards to how they'd fair against the Celestials.

That considered, a Guardian atomizing him is actually quite uber.

One celestial is enough

Krona alone is enough.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well if you don't think SBP asking for help like a baby is getting overpowered, I don't know what is.

The whole of reality was going to die because of depletion of source wall. He filled the reservoir.

Why isn't it quantifiable?

Like filling the source wall?

Now that's just silly.

Yeah, right.

I think SBP saw the explosion coming and didn't know what was going to happen. That's why he screamed and it happened too quick for him to break free. The guardians would never have made that sacrifice if they knew that he could be overpowered with just their strength.

Originally posted by Galan007

Whole scene:
http://i.imgur.com/4SiEvtb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qAXMoIY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/m8K2hSy.jpg
*We also see that the Guardians' blasts were capable of hurting a rampaging Prime--which is a feat in itself.
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Guardians get their clothes from the same tailor as Hulk, it seems 👆

Originally posted by Galan007

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Originally posted by Diesldude
I think SBP saw the explosion coming and didn't know what was going to happen. That's why he screamed and it happened too quick for him to break free. The guardians would never have made that sacrifice if they knew that he could be overpowered with just their strength.

SBP would have broke free if he could have (notice the Guardian not letting go?), that's why he was screaming for help. The Guardian himself even said "It is you playing with a power that eclipses your own".. The Guardian knew how big a sacrifice it was and willingly died to rid the universe of SBP. One way or the other they dealt with him themselves, because that's what it took to stop Superboy-Prime.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Krona alone is enough.

Originally posted by Galan007

At the very least, Volthoom>EVERY Guardian, and EVERY Lantern Corps. He swatted all of them aside, effortlessly. The only real exception was Black Lantern Hal, who, with the help of Sinestrollax, was able to drain Volthoom of all his power. However, that certainly isn't a low feat for 'thoom, considering that in the very same comic, Hal was stated to be a will-power Nexus point that was =/> the Central Power Battery, and likened to the spark that triggered the original big bang. Hal also made Nekron his slave/b*tch.

Sinestrollax might also be considered an exception, but he was not more powerful than Volthoom overall.

The Guardians did defeat Volthoom once before with the help of the Manhunters, so there's that feat for them also. I don't think they ever showed just 'how' it was done though. Maybe they did? hmm. To bad we didn't see them with the power of the Great Heart at full power. 😱