Vader vs. Maul & Opress

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Vader having supernatural reaction time in soloing a Rebel fleet isn't relevant to your claim that Vader has slow reactions?

It factors into Solo's reaction time. Equip him the way Boba Fett or Pre-Vizsla are and he may just go toe to toe with less capable Jedi/Sith, yes.

He's more Powerful overall. That's what matters.

It's like saying a pilot can take on a UFC fighter. It makes no sense. Different skill set entirely.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He has plenty of time to react and evade in a ship. That isn't relevant to a one on one battle. Not in a personal battle outside a ship. His piloting skills do not factor into one on one combat.

It's like saying a pilot can take on a UFC fighter. It makes no sense. Different skill set entirely.

Yep and Vader has both skill sets 👆 All great Jedi/Sith do.

But you were talking specifically about "reaction time". He couldn't solo a Rebel fleet in a tie fighter with slow reaction time. He has to literally dodge every shot the fleet fire at him.

Solo can't do that, because he can't anticipate shots. He just uses good manoeuvres instead, and reacts to whatever he can with his fast but very human reactions. It also doesn't hurt he has the fastest ship in the Galaxy, and a co-pilot, and possibly 2 other people on the gunners. And yet he still couldn't do what Vader did Lol.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yep and Vader has both skill sets 👆 All great Jedi/Sith do.

But you were talking specifically about "reaction time". He couldn't solo a Rebel fleet in a tie fighter with slow reaction time. He has to literally dodge every shot the fleet fire at him.

Solo can't do that, because he can't anticipate shots. He just uses good manoeuvres instead, and reacts to whatever he can with his human reactions. It also doesn't hurt he has the fastest ship in the Galaxy, and a co-pilot, and yet he still couldn't do what Vader did Lol.

It isn't completely different reaction time so it isn't comparable to a one on one fight. Regular people can anticipate their enemies as well. Hell, Yoda had the force and didn't even anticipate Sidious' attack despite the warning. So the best Jedi when it comes to force powers can get caught off guard like anyone else. A pilot is great when it comes to flying things but combat wise they need different skills for combat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They don't necessarily have to but anakin was flying ships as a kid.

And he ducked Darth Maul flying at him from behind with little warning.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It isn't completely different reaction time so it isn't comparable to a one on one fight. Regular people can anticipate their enemies as well. Hell, Yoda had the force and didn't even anticipate Sidious' attack despite the warning. So the best Jedi when it comes to force powers can get caught off guard like anyone else. A pilot is great when it comes to flying things but combat wise they need different skills for combat.

Anyone can get caught off guard, that's completely besides the point.

Point is Vader has Amazing reflexes and reactions time as proven when he soloed a Rebel fleet by Himself and in a Single Tie. Vader also has all skill sets related to combat. Ship to Ship fights and Saber fights. So It's not like he's suddenly going to turn from being supernaturally fast to being slow when switching from one to the other Lol

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul solos. Vader be slow.

This is all wrong. Maul isn't soloing nothing here.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
And he ducked Darth Maul flying at him from behind with little warning.

Anyone can get caught off guard, that's completely besides the point.

Point is Vader has Amazing reflexes and reactions time as proven when he soloed a Rebel fleet by Himself and in a Single Tie. Vader also has all skill sets related to combat. Ship to Ship fights and Saber fights. So It's not like he's suddenly going to turn from being supernaturally fast to being slow when switching from one to the other Lol

It was a two second warned attack where he slowly gestured so if the most powerful force knowledge guy can get caught off guard to an attack that apparent then so can anyone.

That is only relevant to his piloting skills not his combat skills. If I'm good at fencing and you're great at piloting and we fence I'm going to destroy you.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
This is all wrong. Maul isn't soloing nothing here.

Vader with difficulty

Originally posted by Rebel95
Vader with difficulty

Nah, he dies.

Originally posted by Rebel95
Vader with difficulty

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on ?

Just my opinion. I haven't seen anything from maul or opress that leads me to believe they would beat vader.

Originally posted by Rebel95
Just my opinion. I haven't seen anything from maul or opress that leads me to believe they would beat vader.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What has Vader done that gives you this belief.

Wiped out the entire jedi order, killing many jedi single-handedly. He's also said to be 80% the power of Sidious, who beat Maul and Opress pretty easily, which is why I think he would be able to beat them too, but with much more difficulty.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul wins. Quicker.

Vader has superior speed to maul in short burst. Also speed has never been seen to be a problem Vader hasn't overcome. He's in fact defeated opponents of greater ability then himself, maul being included.

Originally posted by Rebel95
Wiped out the entire jedi order, killing many jedi single-handedly. He's also said to be 80% the power of Sidious, who beat Maul and Opress pretty easily, which is why I think he would be able to beat them too, but with much more difficulty.

He showed up with a 1000 or so clone troopers iirc. They sacked it led by Vader. Vader lost to Kenobi. 😂

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Vader has superior speed to maul in short burst. Also speed has never been seen to be a problem Vader hasn't overcome. He's in fact defeated opponents of greater ability then himself, maul being included.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
He fought kids. 😂

He showed up with a 1000 or so clone troopers iirc. They sacked it led by Vader. Vader lost to Kenobi. 😂

He fought more than just kids. And I'm not just talking about the part in rots when they go to the jedi temple. I'm talking about the jedi purge in its entirety. He went on to exterminate nearly every jedi in the galaxy.

Vader lost to Kenobi? Oh well so did Maul and that was when obi-wan was a padawan lol.

And you failed to address my other point that he was said to be 80% Sidious' power. Sidious easily beat maul and opress, therefore Vader should probably be able to as well, with more difficulty of course. It's math.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Luke. Speed is always a problem. Vader didn't have to face against any formidable Jedi at this point since all the great ones were dead, old, or didn't fight back.

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I've been asking you to prove speed was a problem for Vader for a while now. Vader defeated Luke in ESB. If there was a problem for Vader in ROTJ it would have been strength.

The Dark Lady.
Galen Mareks parents.
Darth Maul before his(Vader's) prime
Tsui Choi
Luke
Galen Marek/starkiller
Obi wan

He has also defeated several other JedI in large groups and came out on top. So your little theory about Vader being slow is false.

Originally posted by Rebel95
He fought more than just kids. And I'm not just talking about the part in rots when they go to the jedi temple. I'm talking about the jedi purge in its entirety. He went on to exterminate nearly every jedi in the galaxy.

Vader lost to Kenobi? Oh well so did Maul and that was when obi-wan was a padawan lol.

And you failed to address my other point that he was said to be 80% Sidious' power. Sidious easily beat maul and opress, therefore Vader should probably be able to as well, with more difficulty of course. It's math.

Maul disarmed him and had him at his mercy, Kenobi tried giving his shitty apprentice advice not to jump. He still did.

That's a random number which doesn't decide debates. Sidious called maul a rival. Boom.