Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you deny facts and say hey if Sidious attacked they'd be dead. No, you are speculating with scripted results. Maul wins.Dooku isn't in the thread. You are so bad at this you're mixing up the threads. Pitiful.
I actually go by facts and critical thinking.
Your one to talk. You bring plenty of characters into threads they don't belong and it was an example. So you don't like examples?
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, as Maul was there to fight. He won and killed him. These guys were trying to get away and noobish level. Vader should have had them at his complete mercy in seconds. I never called him an equal I said rival the same word Sidious used. You're biased.You cited noncanon sources showing bias and now are attempting to forfeit the debate because I destroyed you point by point.
None of your arguments are valid, however I understand that a lot is up to interpretation, so we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you don't you just things and act like you debate.I am better than you. Maul wins.
I refer you to the previous point stated. Also I didn't hear all this hatred when you and I were on the same team.
A better troll,yes you are. I'm not a troll while you are. Maul can't beat Vader. Vader's force powers are to strong.
Originally posted by Rebel951). Maul took him head on and even kicked him. Yoda knew Kenobi wasn't strong enough to face Sidious but sent him to defeat Vader which he did.
Destroyed me point by point? You can't even back up your argument, all you've said is:
1. Sidious called maul a rival, which doesn't mean anything other than the fact that they were competing against eachother.
2. Maul had obi-wan beat. But sadly, he didn't, because he got cut in half.
3. Vader was "beat" by kanan and ezra. Which he wasn't. They fleed because they were clearly outmatched.None of your arguments are valid, however I understand that a lot is up to interpretation, so we'll just have to agree to disagree.
2). Maul had him at his mercy. He got arrogant but survived. Vader just got waxed in fair combat due to being moronic and not good enough to make the jump.
3). They buried him in rubble. They left. They won. Vader failed.
Maul wins. You forfeiting the thread is a victory in my book.
Originally posted by quanchi112
1). Maul took him head on and even kicked him. Yoda knew Kenobi wasn't strong enough to face Sidious but sent him to defeat Vader which he did.2). Maul had him at his mercy. He got arrogant but survived. Vader just got waxed in fair combat due to being moronic and not good enough to make the jump.
3). They buried him in rubble. They left. They won. Vader failed.
Maul wins. You forfeiting the thread is a victory in my book.
Originally posted by Rebel95Most biased people, sure. Reasonable posters know Maul is faster and very powerful. He'd win over immobile Vader.
Whatever floats your boat buddy. I don't feel like wasting my time arguing with you more. I think most would agree with me that Vader>Maul, that's pretty obvious. I don't need to convince you.
Originally posted by quanchi112
what ?
Young Anakin reacted fast enough to duck a Maul coming at him from behind, with very little warning and with no idea anybody was after them.
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So he may not have the fencing skill, movement speed, TK or Strength to go toe to toe with Darth Maul, but clearly he's got really fast reaction time, which is why he can podrace.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It was a two second warned attack where he slowly gestured so if the most powerful force knowledge guy can get caught off guard to an attack that apparent then so can anyone.
Stop Lowballing. Yoda reacts fast enough to catch his Lightning later without any warning, so he was clearly caught off guard the first time. He also catches Dooku's without any problem. So Quit Trolling.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That is only relevant to his piloting skills not his combat skills. If I'm good at fencing and you're great at piloting and we fence I'm going to destroy you.
Except Vader is exceptionally skilled at both 👆
If I've got the fastest reactions in a space battle, it's almost impossible I'm going to just stand there and not be able to react to you throwing a punch at me. Reflexes are Reflexes no matter the sport.
Which is why Sporty people generally tend to be able to pick up any new sport quickly. Because they simply have the reactions, coordination, stamina and where applicable speed/strength to do any sport.
Originally posted by Darth ThorSo ? That doesn't mean Anakin was on Maul's level as a child. We see how bad or weak Anakin's skills were even in aotc.
Young Anakin reacted fast enough to duck a Maul coming at him from behind, with very little warning and with no idea anybody was after them.@0:27
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So he may not have the fencing skill, movement speed, TK or Strength to go toe to toe with Darth Maul, but clearly he's got really fast reaction time, which is why he can podrace.
Stop Lowballing. Yoda reacts fast enough to catch his Lightning later without any warning, so he was clearly caught off guard the first time. He also catches Dooku's without any problem. So Quit Trolling.
Except Vader is exceptionally skilled at both 👆
If I've got the fastest reactions in a space battle, it's almost impossible I'm going to just stand there and not be able to react to you throwing a punch at me. Reflexes are Reflexes no matter the sport.
Which is why Sporty people generally tend to be able to pick up any new sport quickly. Because they simply have the reactions, coordination, stamina and where applicable speed/strength to do any sport.
No, he's good at pod racing, piloting, which isn't the same as personal combat. He needed extensive training. Years.
He was ready for Dooku's, he wasn't ready for Sheev's. Reciting facts isn't low balling. Only trolls ignore hard evidence that doesn't fit into their narrative.
Vader is great at both but they are separate. That's the point. You know you're wrong and were caught wanking him. Piloting plays no part in personal combat outside a space battle.
Reflexes are different and I just proved it by comparing a pilot to a UFC fighter.
That doesn't mean they don't need to extensively practice the sports to become great. Just because you're great at one sport doesn't mean shit for another. Look at Jordan in bball and baseball. Case closed.
Originally posted by Darth ThorI rebutted your entire case point by point and you don't address a single thing. Bball reflexes don't translate onto the base field field. That's called being logical. A piloting skills means nothing for one on one combat. A pilot vs a UFC fighter. You say stupid shit.
^ Keep Trolling 👆
Originally posted by quanchi112
I rebutted your entire case point by point and you don't address a single thing. Bball reflexes don't translate onto the base field field. That's called being logical. A piloting skills means nothing for one on one combat. A pilot vs a UFC fighter. You say stupid shit.
No you ignored my whole rebuttal, and if I continue this I will be forced to repeat the same arguments you've already ignored like- Reaction time is a separate issue to piloting/fencing skill and is relevant to both.
Ergo you can keep trolling 👆
Originally posted by Darth ThorNo, as the reflexes are different as bball and basketball. It's different reflexes and different skill. In one you fly a ship hundreds of feet away from your opponent sometimes closer. One you are right in front of someone else and your own body speed and functions come into play while in another your piloting skills are effected by just your hand eye coordination. It's like saying a video game champion can beat up a fighter because he's got awesome timing. It's absurd.
No you ignored my whole rebuttal, and if I continue this I will be forced to repeat the same arguments you've already ignored like- Reaction time is a separate issue to piloting/fencing skill and is relevant to both.Ergo you can keep trolling 👆
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, as the reflexes are different as bball and basketball. It's different reflexes and different skill. In one you fly a ship hundreds of feet away from your opponent sometimes closer. One you are right in front of someone else and your own body speed and functions come into play while in another your piloting skills are effected by just your hand eye coordination. It's like saying a video game champion can beat up a fighter because he's got awesome timing. It's absurd.
Not really relevant when Vader's reflexes comes from his force anticipation and not from his vision.
Originally posted by Darth ThorThey come from both. A ship isn't his body so trying to say it's the same is well stupid. Piloting skills don't translate over to hand to hand combat. Ask any soldier and they'll laugh at you if you think they are.
Not really relevant when Vader's reflexes comes from his force anticipation and not from his vision.
Originally posted by quanchi112
They come from both. A ship isn't his body so trying to say it's the same is well stupid. Piloting skills don't translate over to hand to hand combat. Ask any soldier and they'll laugh at you if you think they are.
Force Pre-Cog doesn't change.
Vader's AWESOME at everything. But he's the best Pilot in the Galaxy due to his Reactions/Pre-Cog.
Originally posted by Darth ThorVader is awesome at piloting but he's slower in combat.
Force Pre-Cog doesn't change.Vader's AWESOME at everything. But he's the best Pilot in the Galaxy due to his Reactions/Pre-Cog.
Pre cog can fail the most powerful Jedi with two seconds so I have that covered. Your insistence on bringing up precog diminshed his actual piloting skills.