Vader vs. Maul & Opress

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I've been asking you to prove speed was a problem for Vader for a while now. Vader defeated Luke in ESB. If there was a problem for Vader in ROTJ it would have been strength.

The Dark Lady.
Galen Mareks parents.
Darth Maul before his(Vader's) prime
Tsui Choi
Luke
Galen Marek/starkiller
Obi wan

He has also defeated several other JedI in large groups and came out on top. So your little theory about Vader being slow is false.

Canon only, sport.

If Vader is slow then why is he more dominant/powerful then almost every other character in the star wars universe? Yes, his suit limits his mobility and he would be much quicker and agile without it, but he is definitely not slow.

Originally posted by Rebel95
If Vader is slow then why is he more dominant/powerful then almost every other character in the star wars universe? Yes, his suit limits his mobility and he would be much quicker and agile without it, but he is definitely not slow.

Originally posted by quanchi112
In esb he got tagged in the shoulder. Luke was shit trained. In rotj he raped Vader.

Canon only, sport.

Then preceded to beat his ass. Even in ROTJ his speed wasn't a problem. Again it was strength.

Your personal preference. Rules say Expanded universe included sport.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Then preceded to beat his ass. Even in ROTJ his speed wasn't a problem. Again it was strength.

Your personal preference. Rules say Expanded universe included sport.

Canon only is the default rules, sport. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Which seasoned Jedi did he take out ?

Maul disarmed him and had him at his mercy, Kenobi tried giving his shitty apprentice advice not to jump. He still did.

That's a random number which doesn't decide debates. Sidious called maul a rival. Boom.

Vader easily defeated Cin Drallig, a seasoned jedi master, along with numerous padawans simultaneously.

80% is a random number? Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that number came from George Lucas himself. Sidious called Maul a rival as in they were no longer allied and they were competing against eachother. Sidious also said this as he force slammed Maul and Opress against the wall lol. "Boom" 😆

Originally posted by Rebel95
Vader easily defeated Cin Drallig, a seasoned jedi master, along with numerous padawans simultaneously.

80% is a random number? Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that number came from George Lucas himself. Sidious called Maul a rival as in they were no longer allied and they were competing against eachother. Sidious also said this as he force slammed Maul and Opress against the wall lol. "Boom" 😆

It doesn't translate into anything. 20 percent better isn't close. Maul is faster than Vader. Undeniable.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to Luke's lack of skill. In rotj Luke was more powerful and faster than his weak old man.

Canon only is the default rules, sport. 😂

Luke wasn't more powerful. Vader wasn't trying as previously provn. His speed wasn't a problem, it seemed more like strength was the issue if anything.

Everything applies unless stated otherwise.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Luke wasn't more powerful. Vader wasn't trying as previously provn. His speed wasn't a problem, it seemed more like strength was the issue if anything.

Everything applies unless stated otherwise.

Not the default rules. Read them, sport.

Arcann solos.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Where in continuity and what feats does he have ?

It doesn't translate into anything. 20 percent better isn't close. Maul is faster than Vader. Undeniable.

The OP does indeed state canon only feats apply for this thread.

Originally posted by Rebel95
Your arguments don't translate into anything lol
Even if maul is faster, he's still not as strong physically or in the force. Vader's also the superior duelist.

Based on what ? Who did suit Vader even best ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he was. Sidious wouldn't want someone less powerful. It was speed and power.

Not the default rules. Read them, sport.

Luke had more potential dumbass. Speed never had a bearing on the contest in ROTJ. Raw power.

Even with canon Vader still wins.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Luke had more potential dumbass. Speed never had a bearing on the contest in ROTJ. Raw power.

Even with canon Vader still wins.

Based on ? Do not cite fanfic again and honor the rules and op.

Quan, broski, I'm not going to bother reading through the debate but why the hell are you even recognizing ES2? 😬

Originally posted by quanchi112
Luke just proved he was flat out more powerful by crushing Vader. We see both. We see clear domination and Vader lay back and take it.

Based on ? Do not cite fanfic again and honor the rules and op.

Vader held back so he couldn't have proved anything.

Vader defeated Darth Maul, The Dark Lady, and Tsui Choi and all were more agile than he. I'll cite whatever the hell I want. Again even with jaunt canon Vader still wins. All he has to do is ragdoll maul or savage and finished off whoever is left.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This thread is canon only so your bias is showing.

Based on what ? Who did suit Vader even best ?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Quan, broski, I'm not going to bother reading through the debate but why the hell are you even recognizing ES2? 😬

Ps. I can't believe he called you a bully on a damn nerdy message board where people argue fictional matchups. He needs to man up.

Originally posted by Rebel95
I've already listed baser' accomplishments to you. How about you tell me maul and opress's accomplishments? Losing to a Padawan obi wan kenobi? Getting destroyed by sidious?
You're perception of my "bias" is a product of your ignorance.