Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I disagree, Carth. I think the fight with her mother wasn't the rule, but the exception.She explicitly puts away her lightsabers when able to battle the Hero and Lana.
My point being she isn't lasting long in a duel, and Jaina wasn't ragdolled by Abeloth when she was blasted by her and was injured/exhausted and Abeloth's vastly more powerful than Vaylin.
Team 2 soundly.
Luke is still the trump card among force users, and Valk still can't take him. Caedus will also win his round. Jaina may lose, but...if the top 2 fights are going to the Skywalker-Solos, that's that.
(I'm not even convinced Valk can take DE Sidious, and Luke has a significant edge on Sidious)
Originally posted by Angelalex242
Team 2 soundly.Luke is still the trump card among force users, and Valk still can't take him. Caedus will also win his round. Jaina may lose, but...if the top 2 fights are going to the Skywalker-Solos, that's that.
(I'm not even convinced Valk can take DE Sidious, and Luke has a significant edge on Sidious)
Let me get this straight: Luke is not unstoppable and he doesn't have an answer for every technique ever devised.
Luke managed to defeat Darth Sidious with aid of Leia Organa Solo. A fact that people tend to forget.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
LAL @ using a pre-prime Luke to supplement your argument. Luke learned from that experience, and grew far more powerful ever since.
Also, where it is stated that Luke became "far more powerful" after the events of Dark Empire? Some of his best showings are during the era of Dark Empire actually.
He has better against the Vong. Better still against Ones Tier Aboleth.
JA was frankly Luke at his worst. Somebody was lowballing him at the time.
As for Force Drain, he'd never experienced it before Darth Krayt. Tough to shrug off something you've never been hit with before, or that you weren't expecting. It's how guys like Vader can toss guys like Sidious overboard. Or how guys like Han Friggin Solo can shoot Sidious with a mere blaster.
First of all, we have no idea how capable Senya is as a duelist so Vaylin losing to her doesn't really say much about hers(I bet they are both pretty good actually). Also, Ant makes a good point as Vaylin seems to prefer abusing her force powers and her fight with her mother seemed like a very personal instance to me. In due time we will have a clearer understanding of her level of skill(hopefully Senya or Vaylin will get new feats) and Jaina vs Vaylin will have a more solid conclusion but I think even as of now, Vaylin wins due to better application of the force.
HoT/The Outlander's skill with the blade shouldn't be underestimated and Arcann was his slight superior so closing the gap wouldn't be a quick victory for Caedus. Arcann can definitely hold his own in the force against Caedus longer than Jaina can hold hers against Vaylin.
Since this is Valkorion with his KOTFE showings(they still don't represent his full power), I believe the fight would be very similar to the force fights between Yoda and Sidious. Since they are very close, it should again take longer than Vaylin's fight.
But lets say Luke manages to kill Valkorion. He can still come back and enter Vaylin or Arkann's body and unleash his full power there yet again.
I don't think team Skywalker can win a majority here tbh.