Family Feud

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That's not something I even remotely suggested. Fact is saying, "Caedus can take a turbolaser to the face, so..." while completely disregarding the fact that Caedus has been defeated using much less power is stupid. Not that blocking a turbolaser is even that impressive when Vader has done it casually.

And to be quite frankly, the arguments from both sides are disgusting. I'm just devil's advocate for TOR at the moment.

Lol what?

Its impressive because of the sheer power it involved, and Vader didn't block it he dodged it and it blew up the rubble behind him. Luke can dominate Caedus's because he more powerful than him, and its a plus for him not a negative or proof Vitiate can do the same lmao.

Vitiate's lightning isn't blasting massive holes through capital ships or leveling rebel bases, call me when it can do that and then we can talk about it being relevant to taking out Caedus

Originally posted by carthage
Lol what?

Its impressive because of the sheer power it involved, and Vader didn't block it he dodged it and it blew up the rubble behind him.

The Royal Guards, momentarily taken by surprise, recovered enough to plant blaster rifles against their shoulders. They fired at the freighters as the large ships sped over and past them, but the personal weapons did no harm to the shielded and armored ships."

Luke can dominate Caedus's because he more powerful than him, and its a plus for him not a negative or proof Vitiate can do the same lmao.

Vitiate's lightning isn't blasting massive holes through capital ships or leveling rebel bases, call me when it can do that and then we can talk about it being relevant to taking out Caedus

First, I wasn't talking about that, and no, it blew up all around him.
"Noses down, the freighters began firing from blaster cannons mounted on the top and bottom of the ships, long red lines that exited the ship in superheated pulses. Trees one hundred meters from Vader and the Emperor exploded into splinters under the onslaught, and the lines cut a rapid path along the clearing toward them, putting a patchwork of smoking holes in the earth, closing in on Vader.

One with the Force, Vader held his ground and tensed for impact. Then he exploded into motion, his lightsaber humming as he spun it rapidly left and right, deflecting the powerful blaster shots off into the forest, shattering still more trees, destroying the tents, but sparing the communications array. The kinetic energy from the shots drove him backward, his boots putting furrows in the soft soil.

The Royal Guards, momentarily taken by surprise, recovered enough to plant blaster rifles against their shoulders. They fired at the freighters as the large ships sped over and past them, but the personal weapons did no harm to the shielded and armored shi

He was deflecting them with his lightsaber not with barrier, Caedus tanked the bolt with his bare hand. The destructive output only makes Caedus's feat more impressive than Vader's. And that's not the instance I was speaking of anyway

Wow, another argument I didn't make being presented to me as if it's a quote. The point was you don't need to be as powerful as a turbolaser to tank Caedus out of the count.

Again call me again when Vitiate's lightning shows damage comparable to the destructive output of a turbolaser. Saying his lightning can take him out when all it did was KO Arcann, and kill non force sensitives means the burden of proof is on you to show it can take him out.

We see his lightning blowing up several ships and killing hundreds of people. A turbolaser isn't even remotely comparable when the vast majority are just turrets.

It didn't blow up any ships, it killed the non force sensitives piloting them and brought them down/caused them to crash into each other. If he had exploded the ships by virtue of the potency of his lightning you'd have a case, he didn't all he did was kill non force sensitives that can't defend themselves from it A turbolaser would've blown them up completely and reduced the pilots to ashes.

Originally posted by JKBart

Yesh. The sooner, the better. 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

Also Jaina had a feat similar to Vader's, she was dodging/deflecting the bolts/turbolaser fire and Zekk could deflect them and they both marveled at Jacen's feat:

A blue cascade of cannon bolts began to sweep across the dune, its deep thump-thumping an almost gentle counter-point to the crashing roar of the turbolasers. Jaina and Zekk stood expectant for what seemed an eternity. There was no use trying to run or take cover. Drop ship weapons systems were designed to spread a carpet of death around their landing zones. Often, they laid fire as thick as twenty bolts a square meter.

An eerie chorus of squeals arose as the cannon strikes found the buried swarm of Iesei, and the haze grew heavy with the bitter smell of scorched chitin. More bolts began to sizzle down all around Jaina and Zekk, raising chest-high sand geysers and charging the air with static. They raised their lightsabers and yielded control to the Force, then started to whirl and dance across the dune, dodging incoming fire and deflecting it into the ground beside their feet.

Zekk took a cannon blast full on his blade and was driven to his knees. Jaina spun to his side and tapped two more bolts away, only to find herself badly out of position as a third dropped toward her head.

Zekk's lightsaber swept up just centimeters from her face, catching the bolt on the blade tip and sending it zipping across the dune. Jaina spun away from another attack and glimpsed Jacen and Tahiri standing back-to-back, Jacen holding his hand above their heads, cannon fire ricocheting away as though he held a deflector shield in his palm. That was something Jaina and Zekk had never seen before.

I always find it hard to compare technology to the force. I mean obviously Death Star > Valkorion's lightning but should a turbo laser absorption mean Caedus can survive Valkorion's lightning?

Also Carthage, you're missing some details.

Valkorion's lightning wasn't aimed at those ships. The destruction caused there doesn't represent his full capacity. It was merely collateral or side effect damage(?) as there were 50-100 meters distance between the ships and Valkorion. Arcann resisted that level of lightning directed at him from a 4-5 meters distance for like 10 seconds and the lightning that Valky will unleash on Caedus will be strong enough to instantly one-shot an Arcann level force-user.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice

We see his lightning blowing up several ships and killing hundreds of people. A turbolaser isn't even remotely comparable when the vast majority are just turrets.

Originally posted by carthage
He was deflecting them with his lightsaber not with barrier, Caedus tanked the bolt with his bare hand. The destructive output only makes Caedus's feat more impressive than Vader's. And that's not the instance I was speaking of anyway

Again call me again when Vitiate's lightning shows damage comparable to the destructive output of a turbolaser. Saying his lightning can take him out when all it did was KO Arcann, and kill non force sensitives means the burden of proof is on you to show it can take him out.

Also I like how Caedus blocking a turbolaser and not dying is impressive, but Arcann blocking Lightning, also with his bare hands(because that's important), that's killing everyone in it's path isn't. Also, it didn't knock him unconscious. If it had, he'd have died from the free fall.

It didn't blow up any ships, it killed the non force sensitives piloting them and brought them down/caused them to crash into each other. If he had exploded the ships by virtue of the potency of his lightning you'd have a case, he didn't all he did was kill non force sensitives that can't defend themselves from it A turbolaser would've blown them up completely and reduced the pilots to ashes.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Do keep in mind that Vaylin is in the early phase of understanding her Force abilities during this time; her situation is like that of a padawan during training sessions. Why? Because Valkorion held her back and did not permit her to explore her Force abilities for a long long time.

She had over 5 years for that, ever since the HoT killed the Emperor's voice:

Agreed. I think five years is long enough to come into one's own, and she's clearly had all the time she's needed to practice in those five years.

In my opinion, most of the energy in blasterfire/turbolaser/etc is in aspects like heat and shit, not kinetic force. Hence why they're supposedly so powerful yet only raise chest high sand geysers instead of like, blow up a meters deep crater.

Sure, they still pack a considerable amount of punch. But Zekk manages to block one head on and only get forced to his knee's. So Jacen blocking those shots with a barrier is pretty much just him blocking a punch of shots of that caliber. Very impressive to be sure, but not exactly "OMG JACEN BLOCKED 1.21 GIGAWATTS OF ENERGY! JACEN FOR ISLAND BUSTER!"

Edit: It's been 5 years since the end of Act III? Holy shit.

Originally posted by Nephthys
In my opinion, most of the energy in blasterfire/turbolaser/etc is in aspects like heat and shit, not kinetic force. Hence why they're supposedly so powerful yet only raise chest high sand geysers instead of like, blow up a meters deep crater.

Sure, they still pack a considerable amount of punch. But Zekk manages to block one head on and only get forced to his knee's. So Jacen blocking those shots with a barrier is pretty much just him blocking a punch of shots of that caliber. Very impressive to be sure, but not exactly "OMG JACEN BLOCKED 1.21 GIGAWATTS OF ENERGY! JACEN FOR ISLAND BUSTER!"

Edit: It's been 5 years since the end of Act III? Holy shit.

Originally posted by Nephthys

Edit: It's been 5 years since the end of Act III? Holy shit.

Turbolasers massively differ in firepower.

No. No it doesn't. We see Vader clearly in an explosion, that definitely hit him since, with next to no damage, and we see Vader clearly able to withstand the kinetic energy from a turbolaser. It's not more impressive just because Caedus uses his hands.

He was in motion when the explosions were coming his way, and he deflected them with his saber not palmed them. He wast taking the full brunt of the blast with his lightsaber (not barrier), and having his boots driven into the ground. Compared to Caedus facing the full bront of a "carpet of death" that hurled twenty bolts a square meter, and he deflected them with more ease than Jaina, Zekk, or Vader who could deflect them but were getting knocked off course and with more effort on their part. Good feat for Vader, but Caedus was performed with undeniably more ease (before his prime)

It blew up dozens of ships and burst through the walls of Asylum's spires.

Also I like how Caedus blocking a turbolaser and not dying is impressive, but Arcann blocking Lightning, also with his bare hands(because that's important), that's killing everyone in it's path isn't. Also, it didn't knock him unconscious. If it had, he'd have died from the free fall.

Arcann was crushed by pillars and likely expended some energy stomping the Hero. The fact he could even deflect his lightning while likely tired from his duel/surviving being crushed is an amazing feat for him. I'm not sure how that detracts from Caedus's feat? Good for Arcann- at full power he could perform a lot better and possibly similar to Caedus

No. No, it didn't. And the fact that they are non Force Sensitives is inconsequential as it kills literally hundreds. It's idiotic to think that amount of energy can't match a turbolaser when it's clearly destructive and widespread. This also ignoring that many of those caught in the blast were Knights of Zakuul who are Force Sensitive.

Which is why his lightning can't cause as much damage as lasers, when even a bolt can reduce non force sensitives to paste. Ok. I get it it can kill non force sensitives and leave no damage to their bodies and drop fodder Zakuul knights. Great feat for Vitiate but its still not as strong as what you posted for Vader and numerous examples of cannon fire blowing up ships/atomizing Vong etc for cannonfire/turbolasers. Valkorion has a number of ways to defeat Caedus (with effort) via telekinesis, or more powerful attacks he has in his arsenal. Not sure why its hard to believe he isn't as godlike based off of killing non force sensitives and lightning that can be deflected or dodged. Where did it actually blow up ships as well on contact?

Oh yeah, I forgot about the timeskip.

Also Vaylin was blocking a ships cannon's with a sheet of metal.

Originally posted by carthage

Valkorion has a number of ways to defeat Caedus (with effort) via telekinesis, or more powerful attacks he has in his arsenal. Not sure why its hard to believe he isn't as godlike based off of killing non force sensitives and lightning that can be deflected or dodged. Where did it actually blow up ships as well on contact?

I'm not sure what Neph is trying to say, tbh. If a Turbolaser canonically impacts with the force of a gigatons (which feats certainly back up) , Jacen deflected that kind of destructuve output - simple as that really. Now, that all turbolasers hit with the same amount of force, so perhaps you have wiggle room to argue there.

An impact with the force of gigatons only raises a chest high geyser of sand or knocks Zekk down? Yeah, sure.