Originally posted by namorsubby
You're lowballing Slade high end. We have all seen it. Making fools out of teams all with characters of varying superhuman attributes because of his brain and reaction time. The gap between spidey and Slade speed wise on average is not that great. Not the same as DD Vs Slade.
No, I'm not low balling Slade in the least. What it is is that you want to use Slade's highest feats while not arguing against the notion that Daredevil is an average for Spiderman when it is in fact a low showing for him. You talk about teams losing to Slade, but for one he is always prepped for those situations, while Spiderman on the other hand has taken it to the entire X-Men during the Secret Wars, and made fools of the fantastic Four without prep.
If we blind folded Slade, and threw him in a room with basic knowledge of the X-Men which included Wolverine, with no prep how do you think that he would actually do? Spiderman embarrassed them.
He's not always prepped. Many random encounters with teams. Doesn't even matter really still because he's engaging them in close combat. All you did is show spidey doing something Slade has done several times....and I'm not using DD as a base I know he's easily faster but Slade is also. Anything else?
His SS contributes to his speed yes. Slade has outmanueved teams with his speed much more often. Slade is still not faster but it's close.
Also, after lobo, legacy, ww, and all the damage Slade has been dealt in the dcnu I can't imagine how spidey could "easily" put him down. Batman, sure. But slade? Not at all. This fight would drag on even if Pete completely outdid him speed wise and landed telling blows while evading Slades the entire time. Not that that would happen.
Originally posted by namorsubbylike half of those feats consisted of Slade wearing nth metal armor and the other one consisted of him using a magical god slaying sword that amped his speed, strength and durability. What's to stop Peter from webbing him up?
His SS contributes to his speed yes. Slade has outmanueved teams with his speed much more often. Slade is still not faster but it's close.Also, after lobo, legacy, ww, and all the damage Slade has been dealt in the dcnu I can't imagine how spidey could "easily" put him down. Batman, sure. But slade? Not at all. This fight would drag on even if Pete completely outdid him speed wise and landed telling blows while evading Slades the entire time. Not that that would happen.
Originally posted by namorsubby
He's not always prepped. Many random encounters with teams. Doesn't even matter really still because he's engaging them in close combat. All you did is show spidey doing something Slade has done several times....and I'm not using DD as a base I know he's easily faster but Slade is also. Anything else?
Yeah Slade needs prep to rise to very great challenges, his in depth knowledge of who he faces isn't just forgotten. If the Titans walked into a bar to apprehend him, he doesn't forget the knowledge that he has already gleaned from them which includes every exploitable means of capturing them. Spideman does not need this because he has low level precognitive powers. That is how he dealt with the X-Men, as opposed to Slade jumping in with that team with basic knowledge as opposed to in depth analysis on what makes them all tick. If we threw him in there with basic knowledge they would peel his scalp back. He simply doesn't have the tools to do what Spiderman can do.
Originally posted by deathslash
like half of those feats consisted of Slade wearing nth metal armor and the other one consisted of him using a magical god slaying sword that amped his speed, strength and durability. What's to stop Peter from webbing him up?
1. He can wear his armor it's a fight.
2. Don't embellish anything. I read everything Slade. The sword was magical and could hurt WW, Supes, and the other God guy but there is absolutely no mention of it enhancing his own physical strength, speed, or durability.
K...other guy:
Slade has encountered teams several times without prep including the titans. You are obviously unaware of this fact. look it up I'm not feeling ambitious or accomodating today. Also prep does not negate the fact that he's fast enough to fight them all at once close combat and outmanuever them. So honestly I don't get your point.
Originally posted by namorsubby
1. He can wear his armor it's a fight.2. Don't embellish anything. I read everything Slade. The sword was magical and could hurt WW, Supes, and the other God guy but there is absolutely no mention of it enhancing his own physical strength, speed, or durability.
K...other guy:
Slade has encountered teams several times without prep including the titans. You are obviously unaware of this fact. look it up I'm not feeling ambitious or accomodating today. Also prep does not negate the fact that he's fast enough to fight them all at once close combat and outmanuever them. So honestly I don't get your point.
You don't understand that Spiderman's danger sense gives him a large advantage here? I haven't even begun talking about the vast strength, and speed advantage. What you've attempted was to move the goal posts. Yes Slade has taken it to teams, but then again so has Spiderman. To deny critical information appears more to be your way of hiding certain key facts about Slade. He does not have to prep before every fight, because he preps long before any fight occurs due to having in depth files on just bout any main character out there, which includes characters that he works with from time to time. i m not denying that Slade is an accomplished combatant, but so is Wolverine and Night Crawler. Spiderman having fits against guys that aren't able to lift trucks and move like Quick Silver is PIS, just like Slade beating the Flash is.
I'm not even saying spiderman isn't faster. He is. I'm not saying his SS isn't an advantage. It is. Slades armor and hf will make it very very difficult for spiderman to put him down. Web him up? Ok. But is Slade faster than a speeding webline? Probably. Pete will be hard pressed to beat these guys simultaneously CIS intact. Not even saying he can't. Someone just falsely claimed they'd have no chance.
both Batman and Slade have uncanny ability to survey the battlefield and deduce an opponents weakness. Batman may have a serious problem on his hands if here were to try and h2h Spidey right away but Slade can last, giving Batman and Slade the time to at least figure out his fighting style. Spidey doesnt go all out, if he did they'd be toast. Slade on the other hand goes for the kill and Batman isn't beyond fighting dirty if he knows his opponent can take it, they both have impressive arsenals as well as their physical skills as well. They can win this fight. Not easily by any means but they can.
Originally posted by namorsubby
I'm not even saying spiderman isn't faster. He is. I'm not saying his SS isn't an advantage. It is. Slades armor and hf will make it very very difficult for spiderman to put him down. Web him up? Ok. But is Slade faster than a speeding webline? Probably. Pete will be hard pressed to beat these guys simultaneously CIS intact. Not even saying he can't. Someone just falsely claimed they'd have no chance.
I fully agree with that. batman is a one shot though. No way is he taking a hit that can knock a house off of it's foundations. Think about what a wrecking ball hitting a building that had a minimum of 8 tons of force backing it would do. That amount of force would turn a human into sludge. Holding back, he could certainly one shot Batman.
Originally posted by Zack M
How much and when did she say she was holding back?
If Wonder Woman hit Batman with all of her might, she would overkill him. This isn't even up for debate. Batman does not have the strength to throw a sedan up the street. He's not a peer of Spiderman's so let's not play make believe.
Originally posted by Stoic
If Wonder Woman hit Batman with all of her might, she would overkill him. This isn't even up for debate. Batman does not have the strength to throw a sedan up the street. He's not a peer of Spiderman's so let's not play make believe.
Not really. She hit Slade so hard, it sent him flying across the island. She wasn't holding back that much. And it's not the only time Slade has taken punishment from top tiers before. We've seen him battle Legacy and Lobo, too.
Originally posted by Zack M
Not really. She hit Slade so hard, it sent him flying across the island. She wasn't holding back that much. And it's not the only time Slade has taken punishment from top tiers before. We've seen him battle Legacy and Lobo, too.
When did Batman turn into Slade? He doesn't have his armor. Take the armor off of Slade, and then let's see him get punched across an island. Stop leaving out critical information.