Spiderman vs Deathstroke and Batman

Originally posted by carver9
Yeah...he had his own power, the FULL power (plus addition) of the Juggernaut AND the Phoenix Force in him.

So if I punch a kid, and I'm holding back so I don't cause lasting damage to that kid...it's a feat for the kid?

We only know he held back because Spider-man was still alive. That says nothing of how much was actually held back. The way the scene presented it, colossus wasn't having fun time and thought he was hitting with sufficient force to be done with the encounter.

So, who was holding back more? WW or Colossus?

The power stack Colossus had, his holding back would probably still be on an entirely different level than Wondy.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
We only know he held back because Spider-man was still alive. That says nothing of how much was actually held back. The way the scene presented it, colossus wasn't having fun time and thought he was hitting with sufficient force to be done with the encounter.

We also know because Magik was scoffing at him for holding back (calling him pathetic), and we also know because Colossus said he didn't want to hurt him

Originally posted by Zack M
So, who was holding back more? WW or Colossus?

Colossus had a lot more power to hold back than WW. Also if Colossus wasn't trying to hurt Spider-man, that mindset didn't stick around long.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
No. Spider-man took full on blows from phoenix powered collosus and kept coming back for more. Of the 3 it was actually Spider-man left standing at the end...

"Stay down, I don't want to hurt you."

"Why do you hold back, brother? All this power and you don't even have the guts to use it."

"Please stop saying such things, sister, you are beginning to worry me."

Guess who?

I never said he didn't hold back. Full on means he didn't use his agility to stay in the fight which someone here said. He got battered and kept coming back for more.

Originally posted by carver9
The power stack Colossus had, his holding back would probably still be on an entirely different level than Wondy.

So it's a Colossus feat - a feat of his control.

Nothing to do with Spidey.

If Tyson punches a kid, whilst holding back, and I punch a second kid...the result is still the same, Tyson was obv holding back more than I was - but it has NOTHING to do with the kid's durability.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
I never said he didn't hold back

"Spider-man took full on blows from phoenix powered collosus and kept coming back for more."

Merriam-Webster: full-on
"not limited in any way : fully developed"

Good way to ignore the entire explanation. Go back to the argument that comment was in response to and catch up.

Team still wins. Slade can take punishment from SM thanks to his healing and adding Batman gives the team the majority.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Good way to ignore the entire explanation. Go back to the argument that comment was in response to and catch up.

Also, read what DarkSaint85 said.

Yeah I'm not even arguing that point and I never was. I never said Colosus wasn't holding back. But have fun arguing some made up point.

Originally posted by Zack M
Team still wins. Slade can take punishment from SM thanks to his healing and adding Batman gives the team the majority.

Naw, batman can be dealt with quickly and last I checked we still used averages around here.

Batman is too good to be dealt with that quickly and that leaves Parker open for attacks from Slade.

Originally posted by Zack M
Team still wins. Slade can take punishment from SM thanks to his healing and adding Batman gives the team the majority.

And I'm not underestimating Slade, I realize that, on his best day, he can be a threat to Spider-Man. But he needs prep in order to stand a chance.

Spider-Man still remains faster, stronger, at least as durable, more agile, has an inbuilt alarm system and has his nigh unbreakable webs.

One haymaker of Spider-Man, the one he keeps for Rhino or Hulk or Morlun, will probably be enough.

Originally posted by Zack M
Batman is too good to be dealt with that quickly and that leaves Parker open for attacks from Slade.

Spider-Man >>>>>>>>>>>>> Batman. In almost every area, and especially the important ones.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
That's hardly an argument.

Spider-Man >>>>>>>>>>>>> Batman. In almost every area, and especially the important ones.

Agree to disagree. Spidey is certainly above Batman, but not these 2 put together.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Yeah I'm not even arguing that point and I never was. I never said Colosus wasn't holding back. But have fun arguing some made up point.

At best, bringing up Phoenix-Colossus vs. Spider-Man was completely irrelevant to this thread since it's only a feat for Colossus; to his ability to control his power (as DS85 argued).