Lizard vs Ronan

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Yea on top of it, Dax is far above Captain and took on a guy like Loki and got shit canned.

Except Loki has feats to back up his strength and durability. Fighting Thor, surviving the destroyer gun and Hulk's thrashing.

Ronan, doesn't have this, least with the gem. Sure he's obviously powerful and skilled, but we don't just guess that's is well above someone with greater shown feats.

His greatest feat was making Thanos his b***h with a few words and a threat. But again, that was Ronan with the gem.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller

Also, what puts the average Asgardian above a Spiderman level character, other than having an edge in overall durability? The average Asgardian certainly isn't any stronger, and certainly not any faster or more agile, nor quicker healers, based on feats.

They seem to be bullet proof for one. In fact, they have yet to be injured by any man-made weapon.

As for strength, they do push around cars and trucks quite easier than ASM. Though ASM has a better feat where he catches a car (a feat that no Asgardian has as of yet), the Asgardians just seem to do their strength feats a bit more effortlessly.

Originally posted by Robtard
Except Loki has feats to back up his strength and durability. Fighting Thor, surviving the destroyer gun and Hulk's thrashing.

Ronan, doesn't have this, least with the gem. Sure he's obviously powerful and skilled, but we don't just guess that's is well above someone with greater shown feats.

His greatest feat was making Thanos his b***h with a few words and a threat. But again, that was Ronan with the gem.

He killed Thanos advisor right in front of him and Thanos did nothing. Lets not pretend here that Thanos has wimps working for him. Thanos was regarded by someone as the strongest guy in the universe, and Ronan was only able to control the stone cause of his immense power.

"The Other" was his name and Ronan broke his neck with a blast from his hammer. It's H2H here so.

If you're going on implied power, sure Ronan is well above. We generally go on screen-feats though.

Originally posted by Robtard
"The Other" was his name and Ronan broke his neck with a blast from his hammer. It's H2H here so.

If you're going on implied power, sure Ronan is well above. We generally go on screen-feats though.

But you are saying Loki is strong based on him being able to fight Thor. He actually has no strength feats, all he has is his fights, obviously any idiot can tell he's strong. And Thor actually has little to no strength feats other then when fighting.

So I just don't agree with Ronan's strength is implied because all he had was h2h feats when tossed Drax around like a doll.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
But you are saying Loki is strong based on him being able to fight Thor. He actually has no strength feats, all he has is his fights, obviously any idiot can tell he's strong. And Thor actually has little to no strength feats other then when fighting.

So I just don't agree with Ronan's strength is implied because all he had was h2h feats when tossed Drax around like a doll.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
But you are saying Loki is strong based on him being able to fight Thor. He actually has no strength feats, all he has is his fights, obviously any idiot can tell he's strong. And Thor actually has little to no strength feats other then when fighting.

So I just don't agree with Ronan's strength is implied because all he had was h2h feats when tossed Drax around like a doll.

Thor caught one of Hulk's downward swings. That's an impressive strength feat.

I'm not taking just about Ronan's physical strength, that was never in question, he has feats to back up his physical strength, which is very high.

Originally posted by Robtard
Being able to block Thor's attacks is a probably pretty impressive strength feat, considering how strong Thor is.

Thor caught one of Hulk's downward swings. That's an impressive strength feat.

I'm not taking just about Ronan's physical strength, that was never in question, he has feats to back up his physical strength, which is very high.

The only attacks he blocked was with a weapon, either Gungir or the spear of destiny. Any other time Thor connects with him, he trashes him.

Ronan's physical strength is Asgardian level from what we see. Based on Dax being stronger then Captain and neither one being able to hurt Ronan or Loki.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Robbie genuinely feels lizard wins this showing how inept he truly is. Stare and marvel at someone of such limited intelligence.

I find it hilarious that I've reduced you to following me around and cheerleading anyone I'm debating against. I've literally turned toy into an eCheerleader, such is my power 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
I find it hilarious that I've reduced you to following me around and cheerleading anyone I'm debating against. I've literally turned toy into an eCheerleader, such is my power 🙂

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
The only attacks he blocked was with a weapon, either Gungir or the spear of destiny. Any other time Thor connects with him, he trashes him.

Ronan's physical strength is Asgardian level from what we see.

Asgardians are not all the same strength; Thor is a particularly physically strong Asgardian. But it's probably not an off assessment.

Not a single pro-lizard person here argued that Ronan wasn't physically strong. He has strength feats and fighting skills.

Originally posted by Robtard
Asgardians are not all the same strength; Thor is a particularly physically strong Asgardian. But it's probably not an off assessment.

Not a single pro-lizard person here argued that Ronan wasn't physically strong. He has strength feats and fighting skills.

We actually don't know how much stronger Thor is then other Asgardians based on screen feats. I mean we have Loki taking bullets to the face, and Thor running from them. We have that farmer moving a car around like a toy. I think Thor lifted a car while flying in AOE, so that means the most we can say he can lift is 2,0000-3,000lbs.

The only way you are able to gauge Thors strength is based on his H2H with Hulk, cause without that, what are his great strength feats?

Does Thor need more than being able to take on Hulk (while not trying to destroy the carrier) to prove he's physically powerful?

Loki isn't really an Asgardian, he's a runt Frost Giant that Odin physically changed through his science-magic.

Originally posted by Robtard
Does Thor need more than being able to take on Hulk (while not trying to destroy the carrier) to prove he's physically powerful?

Loki isn't really an Asgardian, he's a runt Frost Giant that Odin physically changed through his science-magic.

Loki is s hybrid, so he's got the strengths of both races but none of the weaknesses of the frost Giants.

But this isn't about Loki.

You said we base this off screen feats only. So it's not really fair to give Thor those, and not Ronan.

But punching power and blocking is different then lifts. All we see is Thor grab a car while flying. That's really his only stand alone strength feat that does not involve h2h. So based on that how can we say he can lift more, when it was not shown?

Thor fighting Hulk H2H is a strength feat. He literally caught Hulk's blow, held it for a moment and then forced it up and back. Not sure how else to explain this, Thor has at least one very high strength feat.

Originally posted by Robtard
Thor fighting Hulk H2H is a strength feat. He literally caught Hulk's blow, held it for a moment and then forced it up and back. Not sure how else to explain this, Thor has at least one very high strength feat.

I edited.

Okay, what I said stands. I also said Ronan's very strong from the start, so not sure why you're arguing like I'm pretending Ronan isn't physically powerful.

Originally posted by Robtard
Okay, what I said stands. I also said Ronan's very strong from the start, so not sure why you're arguing like I'm pretending Ronan isn't physically powerful.

Im not saying you are, Im just saying I think he is stronger then Lizard. And he has that whole alien/space thing going for him.

Arguable from shown feats, but even giving Ronan the strength advantage, the Lizard still has natural weapons and a seriously powerful HF.

Originally posted by Robtard
Arguable from shown feats, but even giving Ronan the strength advantage, the Lizard still has natural weapons and a seriously powerful HF.

Yes he has the healing factor, but I don't think it will matter because Ronans durability is above his.